Talk:Assyrian independence movement

Unfinished
The article as written now is unfinished. If it was a war, who fought the battles, where, and when? Being persecuted for eons does not create a well-defined war. Rename from "war of independence" to "declaration of independence"? What was the end result? Chutznik (talk) 22:25, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, instead of Assyrian war of independence, how about we rename the title, the Assyrian struggle for Independence ? 66.92.128.140 (talk) 02:29, 19 April 2010 (UTC) User:Assyrio

Keep on topic!
Agreed. The section on Assyrian resistance to German domination is more about the Jewish genocide than the Assyrian one. bdefore

Explanation for large deletion
This article contains a huge amount about Hajj Amin al-Husseini which is totally irrelevant to the subject of this article. There are only one or two sentences over many paragraphs that even mention a connection to Assyria. The same material is present in many other articles already. It is going to go. Zerotalk 02:20, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Merger

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested merge. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the merge proposal was: merge.GreyShark (dibra) 18:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

It is proposed (since June 2012) that Assyrian independence be merged into the Assyrian struggle for independence article. The misplaced discussion area has been moved below (to preserve the discussion content in the event of a merger actually taking place). Additional input is invited. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 20:14, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

[Transfer of content follows]: User Koavf proposed [ the Assyrian independence ] article to be merged into Assyrian struggle for independence. Please vote on this proposal. Greyshark09 (talk) 20:49, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - decreasing redundancy. Greyshark09 (talk) 20:49, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Chaldean (talk) 07:03, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Both articles need some serious rewriting. First of all only there were no attempts for creating an "independent Nation" by the Assyrians since the 1920s, so the article name needs to be moved to something more appropriate. "The Assyrian question" is a very popular name used for the post WWI crisis involving Assyrian refugees which culminated at the Simele Massacre. We also have an article named History of the Assyrian people which might be a more fitting target of these pages' content.--  R a f y  talk 14:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * After checking the Assyrian struggle for independence article I suggest renaming that one to Assyrian resistance (1915-1918), analogues to Armenian resistance (1914–1918). The page Assyrian independence needs to be renamed The Assyrian Question. Obviously unrelated post WWII parts should be merged to History of the Assyrian people. I will commence with editing once a consensus is reached here.--  R a f y  talk 14:31, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Disagree, first we should merge, later you may split Assyrian resistance (1915-1918). Greyshark09 (talk) 07:43, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested merge. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
 * Support Rafy's course seems to be the best for content preservation Greyshark09's for quickest. Whoever can get to it the soonest should Proceed. GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 19:20, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - since no further votes have been added in the last 2 months i think it is time to finalize; final comments?Greyshark09 (talk) 07:26, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

A concoction of facts stuck together to make a fiction
I know the content of this article is a concoction of facts and distortions stuck together in an ungainly way to make a rather ugly fiction, but I can't figure out who this fiction is made to benefit. Much of it reads very similar to a Turkish Armenian Genocide-denialist tract. So is it an invention by Turkey, or by Iraq? Or is it a fantasy by some Assyrians? I am puzzled. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 00:04, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * A lede is meant to summarise the content of the article, and an article title is meant to agree with the content of the article. We have neither happening here. "The Assyrian struggle for Independence was waged by the Assyrian Patriarch and the chiefs (Assyrian: malik) of the Assyrians between 1843 and 1933" claims the lede. Yet the article is completely empty of events before 1915! One wonders why 1843 was chosen, and not 1842 or 1841? As for 1915 and after, I wonder in what strange world a resistance to genocide being committed by invaders equates to a "struggle for independence". Excluding those used in the lede, there are just five uses of the word "independence" in the whole article. Three of those uses refer to the independence of other countries. Another refers to an alleged post WW1 promise given by a non-Assyrian. The last refers to an alleged (unsourced, and also after 1933) goal in 1960s Iraq. This entire article is a fake, nothing more than a synthesis. There has never been an Assyrian Struggle for independence. No such movement existed. Wanting a measure of autonomy, or representation, or basic human rights is not a "struggle for independence", nor is actively resisting being murdered. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 02:06, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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#Stateless people
The term "Kurd" is a big term and source mentions only Iraqi Kurdistan which is part of Iraq. Ferakp (talk) 17:54, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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