Talk:Asthenia

CFS to ICF
I was going to change CFS to Idiopathic chronic fatigue, since there is objective evidence of delayed recovery of muscle strength in at least a subgroup of CFS (e.g Lane et al), and it can't be said to be always late in onset either, but then reverted it since I realised the article is not saying asthenia is an exclusive finding in CFS. I still think it could be misleading though. MikeEsp 09:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge with muscle weakness
It seems to me that asthenia and muscle weakness basically are the same, since both weakness and loss of strength that defines asthenia link to muscle weakness. The subsection central muscle weakness is simply merged with psychogenic asthenia and peripheral muscle weakness is merged with true asthenia. Mikael Häggström (talk) 19:50, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Mikael, I strongly disagree with the merging. Asthenia or fatigue is subjective while muscle weakness is objective (can be measured). Asthenia (also known as "Generalized weakness", "Fatigue", "debility") describes the inability to continue performing a task after multiple repetitions; in contrast, a patient with primary weakness (muscle weakness) is unable to perform the first repetition of the task. Asthenia is a sense of weariness or exhaustion in the absence of muscle weakness. Asthenia is generalized,while muscle weakness is specific. In Asthenia the treatment is endurance training, while muscle weakness is muscular strengthening. They both have their own designated codes from the International Statistical Classification of Diseases (ICD9-CM): 780.79 for Asthenia (fatigue) and 728.87 for muscle weakness. For further reading, here's the distinction from the American Academy of Family Physicians: here--Ped Admi (talk) 03:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I did not notice this. Have merged and recommend we move Muscle weakness to just Weakness and create a disambig page.-- Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 17:25, 16 February 2010 (UTC)