Talk:Astra (weapon)

Correction on the Astra page
1.Asvathama invoked Brahmashirsha astra from a blade of grass

2.Karna dont have Pasupatastra.So it has to be removed from the list of people who has all the 3 ultimate weapon

3.Narayanastra was used by Asvathama — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arjunkrishna90 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Persistent Vandalism
It appears that this article is subject to persistent vandalism by user Ankisur2. It appears that he/she continuously avoids warnings by other editors especially Adamstraw99. The user Ankisur2 appears to be giving fake or invalid sources as references to push his POV in the article. As per WP:V, ITS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO CITE SOURCE TO BLOGS, as in this case references are cited by using " speaking tree' which is basically a blog. Edits are reverted and contents replace Arjunkrishna90 (talk) 10:32, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Some descriptions are wrong
some weapon descriptions in this article are wrong specially - Manavastra	Manu (Hinduism), Father of the Human Race	Could overcome supernatural protections and carry the target hundreds of miles away. Can inspire humane traits in an evil being. This weapon Was used by Sri Rama on the rakshasa (demon) Maricha. Varunapasha	Varuna, God of Water	A powerful noose which not even other gods can escape from. Bhaumastra	Bhūmi, Goddess of Earth	The weapon could create tunnels deep into the earth and summon jewels. Bhargavastra	Lord Parashurama	Parashurama (an avatara of Lord Vishnu) gave this astra to Karna. It caused great damage to Pandavas army. It destroyed some foot-soldiers of Pandava army. This astra possesses Parashurama's skill in archery.[12] Nagaastra	The Nagas	The weapon would have an unerring aim and take on the form of a snake, proving deadly upon impact. Used by Karna against Arjuna in Mahabharata. Nagapasha	The Nagas	Upon impact, this weapon would bind the target in coils of living venomous snakes. In the Ramayana, it was used against Rama and Lakshmana by Indrajit. Garudastra — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.95.250 (talk) 15:07, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS INCORRECT
Vayvayastra	Vayu, God of Wind	Brings about a gale capable of lifting armies off the ground. On the 14th day of the Kurukshetra War, when the battle continued after the sunset Ashwatthama used this weapon to penetrate the illusions made by Anjanaparvan the son of Ghatotkacha. Arjuna used this weapon against Karna in final battle. Suryastra	Surya, God of the Sun	Creates a dazzling light that would dispel any darkness about and dry up water bodies. Arjuna used this astra against Shakuni on 12th day of Kurukshtra War. Vajra	Indra, God of Weather	Target would be struck with bolts of lightning (vajra referring to Indra's thunderbolt). On the 14th day of the Kurukshetra War when the battle continued after the sunset Ashwatthama used this weapon to penetrate the illusions made by Anjanaparvan the son of Ghatotkacha. Arjuna was expert in Vajra weapon[15] Vishwamitra and Rama too had Vajra weapon. Mohini Astra	Mohini, an Avatar of Vishnu	Dispel any form of maya or sorcery in the vicinity. Twashtar Astra	Twashtri, the Heavenly Builder	When used against a group of opponents (such as an army), would cause them to mistake each other for enemies and fight each other. Sammohana/Pramohana	Gandharvas	Would cause entire hosts/armies to collapse in a trance. Arjuna uses this weapon against the Kaurava army during the Virata war. On the 6th day of Kurukshetra war, Dhrishtadyumna used it against Kauravas which caused them to be unconscious but Drona used his Prajna astra to stop its effect. Parvataastra		Would cause a Parvata/mountain to fall on the target from the skies. Brahmashirsha astra	Brahma, the Creator	Capable of killing devas. Was used by Ashwatthama on Parikshit. It is thought that the Brahmashirsha astra is the evolution of the Brahmastra and is a secret infallible weapon creates by Lord Brahma 4 to betimes stronger than Brahmastra. In the epic Mahabharata, it is said that the weapon manifest with the four heads of Lord Brahma as its tip. In the Ramayana, Indrajit invoked the Brahmashira astra and charged its power onto his chariot, bow and arrows. Aided by its exceedingly destructive power, Indrajit was able to slay 670 million vanaras in one day. In Mahabharata era Sage Agnivesha, Drona, Arjuna and Ashwatthama (only has the knowledge to release the astra did not know to retract it) possessed the knowledge to invoke this weapon. Brahmanda astra	Brahma, the Creator	A defensive weapon. Capable of repelling any astra ever created including the Brahmastra. Used by Vashishta against Vishwamitra to baffle Pashupatastra and Narayanastra. In Mahabharata era no one possessed this weapon. Narayanastra	Vishnu, the Preserver	Would create showers of arrows and discs. The astra's power would increase with the resistance offered to it. This weapon had to be obtained from the Narayana form Vishnu directly, and could be used only once in a lifetime. If the user were to attempt invoking it a second time, it would rebound on him, and possibly, his troops. In Mahabharata era, Lord Vishnu in his Narayana from blessed Guru Drona and his son Ashwatthama and gifted the knowledge about this weapon. In Mahabharata war Ashwatthama used this weapon against Pandava army after the death of Drona. It destroyed one Akshauhini of Pandava army completely. This astra fires a powerful tirade of millions of deadly missiles simultaneously. The intensity of the shower is proportional to the resistance. The only way of defense towards this missile, is to show total submission before the missiles hit. This in turn will cause this weapon to stop and spare the target. When it was used, Ekadasha (Eleven) Rudras appear in the sky to destroy the targets. Millions of types of weapons like Chakra, Gadha, ultra sharp arrows appeared in rage to destroy the target. Who ever tries to resist it will be destroyed. Vishwamitra used this weapon on Vashistha but Vashistha baffled it with his Brahmadanda. Rama got this weapon from Vishwamitra. Vaishnavastra	Vishnu, the Preserver	Would destroy target completely, irrespective of target's nature. Infallible. Had to be obtained from Lord Vishnu directly. In Mahabharata era Bhagadatta had this. Rama used this weapon to destroy the energy of Bharghava Rama.[16] Kaumodaki	Vishnu, the Preserver	Divine mace of Vishnu. Would destroy whole armies. Infallible and without parallel. Lord Krishna slayed Demon Dantavakra with it. Sharanga (bow)	Vishnu, the Preserver	The bow of Lord Vishnu, also called as Vaishnav Dhanush was used by Sri Rama then Sri Krishna. Nandaka	Vishnu, the Preserver	The sacred sword of Vishnu. It had a blade which was indestructible. It was used by Lord Krishna to kill countless demons. Vijaya (bow)	Shiva, the Destroyer	The Vijaya Dhanusha was the personal bow of Lord Indra. Lord Indra Deva gave it to Lord Parashurama and Lord Parashurama gave the Vijaya Dhanusha to Karna. It is so heavy that a normal person in any yuga cannot not lift it. Except Lord Parasurama, Karna or an equally or more powerful warrior, nobody can even lift it. The only time Karna ever fought using the Vijaya Dhanusha was on the 17th day of the Kurukshetra war when he got killed by Arjuna who was using Gandiva bow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.175.244.194 (talk) 13:48, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Arjuna was about to use Raudra astra against Karna
Here is the proof from original Mb that Arjuna had invoked Raudra astra against Karna

Narr:- Then Dhananjaya, filled with rage, inspiring with mantras another celestial weapons that looked like fire and that resembled the poison of the snake and that was as hard as the essence of adamant, and uniting the Raudra weapon with it, became desirous of shooting it at his foe. At that time, O king, the earth swallowed up one of wheels of Karna's car. Quickly alighting then from his vehicle, he seized his sunken wheel with his two arms.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08090.htm I have given the proof from 2nd authentic Mb of world(KMG MB) and this scene is mentioned in most authentic BORI MB too hence it is not interpolation. If you want proof from BORI then i will give the proof from BORI too. Nangu karna (talk) 15:28, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

The link you provided has only one occurrence of the word rudra and it does not mention either the rudra Astra or raudra Astra.Both the BORI MB and the KMG MB are considered Conflicting sources and the validity of their information if they qualify according to  Verifiability they are considered equally right and valid and one source has no precedence of being more right or more correct than the other.See  Verifiability not truth for more information on the reason for deletion.

If it's mentioned in the source BORI MB then please provide a link to that source. Wikipedia will only include information present in reliable sources and not original research.The originality of the BORI MB is also questionable as they simply delete anything that they say is added in later versions.THAT DOES NOT SIGNIFY ORIGINALITY.

"That diadem was incapable of being crushed by Rudra and the Lord of waters and Kuvera with Pinaka and noose and thunderbolt and the very foremost of shafts" is the only occurrence of the word rudra in the page you

Further more the line

''Arjuna was about to use the raudra Astra,Karna was saved by the brahmins curse" You're writing style violates Neutral point of view. Wikipedia is not trying to convert the reader to Hinduism nor is it trying to convert them into a fan of Arjuna or Karna.Blazearon21 (talk) 05:38, 21 July 2018 (UTC)Blazearon21 (talk) 05:42, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

You have indeed reading problem thats why you are unable to read above narrative hence i am again posting the same narrative

Narrative:- Then Dhananjaya, filled with rage, inspiring with mantras another celestial weapons that looked like fire and that resembled the poison of the snake and that was as hard as the essence of adamant, and uniting the RAUDRA_WEAPON with it, became desirous of shooting it at his foe. At that time, O king, the earth swallowed up one of wheels of Karna's car. Quickly alighting then from his vehicle, he seized his sunken wheel with his two arms

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08090.htm Now dont say that Raudra weapon and Raudra astra both are different astra

If BORI MB and KMG MB are not authentic then your personal opinion is true, am i right? Do you think that you are better than BORI SCHOLAR? BORI MB is not available online and neither i can provide screenshot here but i am giving the section number from BORI MB(KARNA PARVA- Section 66)..... go and read Nangu karna (talk) 15:56, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

You just need to provide the reliable source which says so and stop posting the link that doesn't have anything to do with what you've typed,the original research you've written has no place in Wikipedia especially when the content is so ridiculous thay the reader can easily figure out that it's  nothing more than exaggerated fanfiction.You can't just write up your own stories in Wikipedia and think that showing off your arrogance will let get away with it.Blazearon21 (talk) 12:20, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

That "narr" text you've posted is just your own fantasy unless you it's published in some book, journal and even if the BORI MB gets published and becomes a verifiable, reliable source IT STILL WON'T GET ANY PRECEDENCE OVER THE 10+ VERSIONS OF THE MAHABHARATA IN GOOGLE BOOKS,Your so-called BORI SCHOLARS have no executive authority or special privelege in Wikipedia so stop your disruptive editing and fanatical writing in this page.Blazearon21 (talk) 12:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Clarity
Anonymous user with some ID entered a statement Arjun having more no. astras. User with ID Dinesh 2069 started countering it by changing character from Arjun to Indrajit. After the statement there are 2 sources. 2nd source is Mahabharat but it's not opening. So whichever is correct, make it sustain. Fan of Mahabharat (talk) 17:11, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

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Section citations
@JackN1000 You've added an entire section with an episode from the Ahirbudhnya Samhita to this article. Kindly add reliable sources for the same. Chronikhiles (talk) 09:42, 13 January 2024 (UTC)