Talk:Asuka Langley Soryu

Asuka as a 'Mother Figure'
I believe that I must agree that Asuka is indeed a very proud individual by nature; for she has to be since, because of lack of loving parents, she needs someone to be proud of her as a parent would, so she is proud of HERSELF. Also, I believe this personality was meant to conflict with Shinji's, since he lost his mother at a young age while Asuka (in mentality) acts like a mother. Note her always saying things like "don't be stupid" or other somewhat motherly things (I will say don't be stupid isn't exactly motherly, but it does relate to 'dont do anything you'll regret later', which is often told to small children.) She is also quite cruel to Rei, since Rei never had a mother (in theory) and therefore rejects that idea. Asuka is cruel to Rei because if Asuka "Is a mother-figure" and Rei rejects a non-existent mother, then Rei is like a defiant child and so Asuka must be quick to repiemand, therefore the cruelty. You may take my theories a number of ways, but I believe there are limits to the ways you can take them... --KidManga, 8:33 PM (EST), April 28, 2006

Congratulations
I want to express my gratitude to those who really helped to punch up Shinji, Rei and Asuka's pages. They are fantastic now. Also, do you think you guys can give Misato's page some love also? I mean, it's alright, but it does not have the deluxe treatment and I think it needs some spicing up (Especially the reception section). --PeteStacman24 (talk) 01:41, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * At some point it will happen, but for my part I focus on the fan wikis and just adjust the stuff here. There is quite a lot of stuff going on on the fan communities currently. I'm guessing I'll adapt whatever we come up with for the next movie, too. Interestingly the reason the articles here were mostly the same for about 10 years seems to be because the editors involved mostly moved to EvaGeeks at the time already - I know many of them. Just this week I removed the death threats myth from the EoE and Anno pages - those got more views as all the character articles put together. Even though it was something that we had disproven years ago, it was still here. So sure while it's great that they are updated, it was mostly because the fan wikis just get about 8 times more views for Eva stuff than here so it wasn't people's focus.FelipeFritschF (talk) 02:00, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Yeah, Misato definitely deserves that.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 13:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Nationality
Hi everyone.

I saw that the nationality of the character is wrong. I checked diverse sources and everything indicates that Asuka was born in the USA. There is also no source indicating that she born in Germany, has German nationality or even multiple citizenship.

The funny thing its that the quote that affirmed her birthplace as Germany in the previous version of the article was "Evangelion Chronicle vol 14 page 23" thing that its completely false. I checked Evangelion Chronicle Vol. 4, page 7 and Vol. 14, page 23 and it confirms that she's American. So the person who added that quote was deliberately lying.

Anyway, due to the likely controversy of this topic and the confimation that some editor was manipulating sources, I had to add several sources in the article and create this section in the Talk page as witness.

Sources in the article I just added:


 * Red Cross Book page 18 - In English
 * Characters Glossary on the Gainax website - In Japanese (I added the translation in the source index)
 * The Essential Evangelion Chronicle - In English
 * Evangelion Chronicle Vol 4. - In Japanese (I added the translation in the source index)
 * Neon Genesis Evangelion The Master Guide - In Japanese (I added the translation in the source index)

Extras


 * This is Evangelion Chronicle Vol 14. page 23. The source that some editor used it to say that Asuka born in germany, but clearly the page states:

日本人とドイツ人のクォーターだが、国籍はアメリカ. - She is a quarter Japanese-German, but her nationality is American.


 * Also the manga glossary confirms her nationality, but I'm not adding it in the article because it's a different continuity of the franchise, but I'm putting it here in case you want to see it.

--Gibson Nash (talk) 06:29, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * On what basis do you say there is deliberate manipulation and lying?--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 19:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The earlier version of the article and the source used that you mentioned (EC, v. 14) do not, contrary to what you said, indicate that Asuka is German or that she was born in Germany. It only reports that "she has German and Japanese blood and US citizenship". Since the new version is unnecessarily complicated, I restore the old one. Please, don't accuse others of manipulation when the text doesn't seem to contain errors, at least to me.
 * Now, since the diatribe isn't about the text and the source you cited, which seem correct to me, but about the lead box, I moved the sources to that one. I never noticed or cured the box, sorry, and never paid much attention to the edits. Various users seem to have literally fought and edited that information in the box dozens of times without me paying attention. Mea culpa. But I remain of the opinion that they are bona fide user edits. Assuming good faith users, again, now we are missing an accurate reference for The Master Guide. You can't quote a scan or a picture on webarchive: we need the exact cite book.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 19:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for move the sources in a more suitable location. But i want to ask. There's any problem with the sources number 1 and 3? I saw you deleted the links to archive.org I added. And in the number 3 you replaced it with the French version, when I added the English version. Gibson Nash (talk) 22:26, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem. I use links in cite books just if the site is official or strictly required. In this particular case, I think the template is enough. I also prefer the French version of The Essential since the English one contains translation errors. That's not the case with this particular page, but since Glénat Side B is already mentioned, I used the same edition. Do you know the title or the ISBN of The Master guide? And do you have a source which clearly indicates Asuka's birthplace?TeenAngels1234 (talk) 10:54, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * PS. Dunno about Ethnicity. Maybe German-Japanese?--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 10:57, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, again.

Here it is the info of the Masterguide
 * Publisher: MediaWorks
 * ISBN-10: 4840225850
 * ISBN-13: 978-4840225854
 * Release Date: November 2003

Also thank you for correct that the source number 4 is Chronicle Volume 3 and not the 4. My mistake. Here it is the scanned page if you think is good idea added it. In addition, this magazine does not have an ISBN.

https://archive.org/details/vol3-pg6

Also here it is another source, yeah many many sources, but I think this topic can be really controversial for most of the fans, due in the TV series her nationality is never explicitly mentioned and the common sense can deduct that she is German.

https://archive.org/details/page-4_202203
 * Neon Genesis Evangelion Newtype Film Book 3 - Page 4
 * ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-4048526104
 * ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 4048526103
 * Publisher: Kadokawa Shōten
 * Release Date: February 20 1996

«Japanese: 日本人とドイツ人の血が入ったクォーターで、国籍はアメリカ. / English: She is a quarter of Japanese and German blood, and her nationality is American.»

PS. Theres an anonymous user who is altering the article. If you see the history, you can see this user made a mess. Also this user is altering articles in the spanish version, already I reported it but in the spanish wikipedia. I don't know what is the protocol in the English version

Gibson Nash (talk) 21:45, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Now I see. Either this user's edits are bona fide but bad or, yeah, you're right, then they are really deliberate. Try contacting an admin if necessary here and on es.wiki. On the birthplace question: yes, we know her nationality is US, as mentioned in this TP and as reported in the article, but I wouldn't assume that means she was also born in the US - we don't know all the geopolitical rules of the post-Second Impact world, after all. However you seem to have several Japanese sources. If you have any more scans from Newtype, Ide Koji's book or anything else about NGE, please, upload. I physically have the whole Evangelion Chronicle magazine and other sources, but I miss many of them ^^TeenAngels1234 (talk) 22:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, again.

In real life, a child cannot have only and only the US citizenship if was born in another country. This child must have, first a "primary citizenship" after that the US parent can apply to give to the child the American citizenship, but the child would be have multiple citizenship. And how I said before there is no source indicating that she has multiple citizenship.

Also correct me if im wrong, but in the characters profiles in Evangelion Chronicle it is not used the word "Nationality" in cases of characters who we know certainly were born in Japan? As Ritsuko, Misato, Shinji, etc. So I take this as 100% her birthplace was the US.

PS: Yeah I have all the numbers of Newtype and Chronicle. Any topic in particular you need? Or you still talking about Asuka?

Gibson Nash (talk) 00:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. But, as I said, we technically don't know the geopolitical rules of the postSI world in NGE, so, while highly plausible, I would prefer an explicit birthplace for an eventual line in the lead box. PS. I don't know, I was referring to general NGE sources. For example: do you have the whole The Master Guide in scan? Or Ide Koji book?--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 11:45, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Ethnicity
I want to talk about this topic. The table in the article says that she is Japanese, when she is 25% German, 25% Japanese, and 50% American. I admit that I am ignorant on the subject, I do not know if American can be considered an ethnic group, due of the history and diversity of blood in the American citizens.

However, I want to hear what you think. Is it better to add the 3 ethnic groups? Or just Japanese and German?

But to be honest, I am of the opinion that the paragraph ethnicity is unnecessary and should be removed from the table. Gibson Nash (talk) 22:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)