Talk:Atal Bihari Vajpayee/Archive 2

More Light on Personal Life than Political
This article focuses more on the political life of mr. Atal Bihari Vajpayee. It is therefore necessary to update more on his personal life and his current situation (e.g health conditions and why he is out of the political picture etc etc) AJ (talk) 12:52, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Electoral history of Atal Bihari Vajpayee
If it is okay I would like to include Electoral history of Atal Bihari Vajpayee as 'see also'. Shyamsunder (talk) 07:21, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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2002 Gujarat
WP:NPOV require us to present material in an neutral manner. I removed this sentence since it pushes a certain POV and not neutral -> However they were perceived by some commentators as a justification of violence against Muslims

In the edit done, I have kept the controversial remark by subject and the PMO clarification. This is sufficient to allow any reader to create an opinion of their own.

If editors have concerns, we can discuss further and arrive at a consensus. Prodigyhk (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't quite work that way. You are removing trying to change consensus; you need to show that the material is unnecessary. This is not a recent addition where you can claim BRD.


 * In any case, the need for that content is fairly obvious. There were two common responses to his comment; the BJP/PMOs view, that they were taken out of context; and the academic view, that they were indication of possible anti-muslim tendencies. Any attempt to maintain neutrality requires presenting both views. If anything, even the current version is biased (see WP:CLAIM). Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:47, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


 * That statment is not required and not properly justified. Talking of possibility for views according to perception is just not enough. In my opinion the statement should be removed. Kswarrior (talk) KLS 20:14, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * What? There are three excellent sources; how many more do you want? You're not being any more coherent than you were the last time around. Also, you might want to read WP:INDENT (As I told you to do once before). Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:38, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Vanamonde93, Understand that consensus arrives only after discussion. There is no discussion on the talk page on this sentence until now. So, the sentence needs to be removed until a consensus is arrived. We can discuss it here in the talk page to achieve the consensus. Prodigyhk (talk) 02:41, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Assessment report: B-class requirements
(from WP:BCLASS)

This article may have been B-class but looks like it degraded overtime. Apart from making sure everything is well-referenced, the main issue seems to be the article structure. I see some really not required sections containing lists like "Awards" (too short) and "Positions held"--both can be/are better covered in prose. The main section "As prime minister of India (1996 to 2004)" has numerous subsections, some really short while others really lengthy. Since most of them have sub-articles here, they can be shortened according to WP:DETAIL; each section needs to be of adequate length. Writing better articles is a good essay regarding this. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 18:39, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Bharat Ratna
Can someone please explain the significance of this? Is it a "title", a "slur", an "honor", what? --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 07:39, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Scalhotrod Bharat Ratna is the highest civilian award in India, it is somewhat a big deal in India. Today it was announced that Vajpayee along with Madan Mohan Malaviya will be getting Bharat Ratna this time -sarvajna (talk) 10:22, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh great, good to know. So its an honorary thing and should definitely be mentioned in the article. But its not a "title" of any kind, correct? --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 17:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Nope, it's not a title of any kind. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 16:45, 25 December 2014 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. So now I know its correct to revert its insertion as a title before the persons name or something similar. Regards, --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 17:40, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Also we need to make a small correction in the lead, Vajpayee ha not been conferred with Bharat Ratna yet, it has been only announced. Bharat Ratna is awarded by President only after the Republic day celebrations. -sarvajna (talk) 02:43, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

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-- D Big X ray  12:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
Dead: 16 August 2018 Vinsh24dec (talk) 12:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ please provide a reliable source stating the information that you want to be included. -- D Big X ray  12:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
died : 16Aug 2018 Shivam31121993 (talk) 12:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ please provide a reliable source stating the information that you want to be included. -- D Big X ray  12:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
Died: 16 August 2018. Shakthirvd17 (talk) 12:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ please provide a reliable source stating the information that you want to be included. -- D Big X ray  12:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
death 16 Aug 2018 223.31.9.194 (talk) 12:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- D Big X ray  12:20, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
Ianuragit (talk) 12:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- D Big X ray  12:20, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
Ianuragit (talk) 12:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- D Big X ray  12:20, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
He died on 16 August 2018 at 5:05PM IST. Rishikeshranjjan (talk) 12:18, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- D Big X ray  12:20, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
Rishabh.r.garg (talk) 12:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 12:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
Died on 16-08-2018 157.49.72.169 (talk) 12:21, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅  D Big X ray  12:28, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
He died on 16th

He died on 16th August, 2018 at the age of 93.
 * ✔️ read the article again -- D Big X ray  12:40, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
atal bihari vajpyee suffered from urinal tract infection 1.186.77.119 (talk) 12:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ He suffered several age related illness. it is covered in the death section. This article does not need to talk about each and every illness per WP:NOTNEWS-- D Big X ray  12:52, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Wrong use of the current template and recent death template
Hi I have removed Current template you  placed due to Wrong use of current template. read WP:NOTNEWS wikipedia is not a news website for daily or hourly update on a person. You should read the template documentation to understand more on when to use the template. -- D Big X ray  12:13, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Same goes for recent death. Whatever news about death is warranted in the article. is already added. Wiki article does not need to have a deep dive on the hourly updates of his death. per WP:NOTNEWS kindly do not re add the template without any discussion. -- D Big X ray  12:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh! I am extremely sorry for my improper use of the template Template:Current person in this article. Yes his critical health conditions were updated regularly and I went onto add this template. Thanks for reminding my mistakes. Abishe (talk) 13:18, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind understanding. cheers-- D Big X ray  13:20, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
The lead section says Bharat Ratna was conferred in 2014, even as the citation says it was conferred in 2015. Correct date is 2015 Please correct this. Thanks, Gayatri 14:50, 16 August 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gayatri9876 (talk • contribs)


 * ✅ Thank you for the source. -- D Big X ray   14:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2018
Died:16/08/2018 Ankit421306 (talk) 12:53, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

✔️ see the article. -- D Big X ray  12:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Atal Bihari Vajpayee Former Prime Minister died on 16th of August at 5.05 PM in AIIMS Hospital Delhi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhargabin (talk • contribs) 19:43, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ok, time and minutes are not relevant here. only date is needed. per WP:NOTNEWS -- D Big X ray  14:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

[Broken Citation] Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 August 2018
Fix citation number 16, which currently leads to an article which has since been deleted. Nickfury95 (talk) 04:41, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Added the template . regards,  DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  09:50, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 August 2018
As the article lacks citations which has to some extent become a hurdle in mentioning the person the RD or blurb. Hence I would request the administrators to allow me to edit the article and further cite the article. Adithya Pergade (talk) 09:57, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 11:55, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Removal of copyviolation section
In this edit I removed the entire "Positions held" section as it appears to be a copy-and-paste of the official parliamentary record at. --LukeSurlt c 13:46, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

death confirmation
AIIMS/doctor released official statement. He paased away. ref:
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/atal-bihari-vajpayee-health-live-updates/liveblog/65415287.cms

Would somebody please update the article? I am on old/outdated mobile. Thanks a lot in advance. Courtsey ping to. — usernamekiran (talk)  12:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * courtsey ping to . — usernamekiran (talk)  12:16, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

✅ :: Yes, confirmed at 17:05 pm on 16th august 2018, updated as per -- Adamstraw99 (talk) 12:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you. BBC source is a lot better. I will reply to you shortly on my talkpage (maybe within 24 hours [lol]). — usernamekiran (talk)   13:02, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I added that source because it has AIIMS Press release, President's official twitter confirmation, PM's official twitter confirmation all in one source... If there are better sources now then I leave it to the community to decide... I took it on myself to stop reckless vandalism and trolling/disruption on this article today.... I think its over now... thanks everybody and have faith our community is responsible in editing at the end of the day :-) --Adamstraw99 (talk) 15:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, seems to have got confused by the BBC reference (That was showing below before archiving) below originally added by IP in response to my request in the sections above. there is no reason to believe why BBC is better than an Indian channel.  -- D Big X ray   13:52, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Source to avoid
Note that has copied-and-pasted the Wikipedia bibliography from the time of Vajpayee's death (without attribution) and cannot be a useful source. Note that it duplicates National Integration (1961) and Dynamics of an Open Society (1977) exactly as the Wikipedia article did. --LukeSurlt c 12:26, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * LukeSurl, good catch, Can you please fill up and add Template:Backwards copy on this talk page. -- D Big X ray  13:52, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

[Minor typographical fix] Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 August 2018
Under the heading of prime ministership, under the nuclear tests subheading, the word "years" is written as "yrs", and can be corrected. Nickfury95 (talk) 19:47, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Danski454 (talk) 20:20, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 August 2018
"period of eleven months from 1998 to 1999" to "period of thirteen months from 1998 to 1999" Riyabnsl02 (talk) 20:36, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:42, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Wrong info
Under 'Personal life' the picture caption says he was being taken to 'Raj ghat', But he was taken to 'Smriti Sthal'. Jigyasubpl (talk) 04:40, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

✅, " Smriti Sthal near Raj Ghat" should be the correct description, updated now --Adamstraw99 (talk) 10:23, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 August 2018
197.156.115.149 (talk) 19:28, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * no request. --regentspark (comment) 19:29, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

GA
The article should be nominated for GA. Capankajsmilyo(Talk 01:58, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've rewritten a fair bit of it, and I plan on doing just that after rewriting the rest: the NDA administration section is still rather haphazard, and we need some material on his ideology and his legacy. Vanamonde (talk) 02:58, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

please change the pic. His one eye is not open.It will look better if both eyes are open. Thank You. Pks1537 (talk) 13:42, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Photo
Please change the pic. His one eye is not open.It will look better if both eyes are open. Thank You Pks1537 (talk) 13:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2019
1st Tenure of Mr. AB Vajpayee was for 16 Days (16 May 1996 - 1 June 1996) instead of 13 Days as mentioned currently in this page (in 2nd Line). Check the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India for more details. 203.192.214.43 (talk) 02:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done NiciVampire</b><b style="color:black">Heart</b> 03:30, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * bourgeoise

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2020
Please add a section either after 'Early Life and Education' or after 'Post Premiership', enumerating his long electoral battles.

Electoral History

 * 1957 Lok Sabha : Elected from Balrampur in UP, as Jana Sangh candidate
 * 1962 Lok Sabha : Lost to Subhadra Joshi (Congress) from Balrampur
 * 1962 : Elected to Rajya Sabha from UP as member of Jana Sangh
 * 1967 Lok Sabha : Elected from Balrampur, defeating Subhadra Joshi (Congress)
 * 1971 Lok Sabha : Elected from Gwalior in MP
 * 1977 Lok Sabha : Elected from New Delhi seat, as Janata Party candidate
 * 1980 Lok Sabha : Elected from New Delhi seat, as Janata Party candidate
 * 1984 Lok Sabha : Lost to Madhav Rao Scindia of Congress in Gwalior
 * 1986 : Elected to Rajya Sabha from Madhya Pradesh as BJP candidate
 * 1991 Lok Sabha : Elected from Lucknow in UP and Vidisha in MP, retained Lucknow seat
 * 1996 Lok Sabha : Elected from Lucknow in UP and Gandhinagar in Gujarat, retained Lucknow seat
 * 1998 Lok Sabha : Elected from Lucknow in UP, as BJP candidate
 * 1999 Lok Sabha : Elected from Lucknow in UP, as BJP candidate
 * 2004 Lok Sabha : Elected from Lucknow in UP, as BJP candidate. His tenth and last victory in a General Election. 49.35.125.212 (talk) 12:12, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: All of his electoral terms are detailed in the infobox, and largely mentioned in the article text wherever relevant to give an understanding of the context. So, probably redundant to make a new section for this –I&#39;llbeyourbeach (talk) 04:44, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Wait 	Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: oh god right there's even a whole article for this lol, see Electoral history of Atal Bihari Vajpayee –I&#39;llbeyourbeach (talk) 04:52, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: As stated above, see Electoral history of Atal Bihari Vajpayee Jack Frost (talk) 08:56, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

WP:RELATED in hatnote
The hatnote in this article seems to be in violation of WP:RELATED, which explains that hatnotes are designed to disambiguate between articles with similar article titles that could cause confusion. The ones included in Vajpayee's hatnote are very much properly disambiguated and which can't be reasonably confused with this main article on Vajpayee; they are merely articles related to this topic.

While WP:RELATED doesn't discourage or forbid this use of hatnotes, I agree with their assessment that it's better to summarise these related topics in their relevant subheadings in the main article and use Template:Main—rather than cluttering up the top of the article.

I was wondering if the other editors agreed? —I&#39;llbeyourbeach (talk) 14:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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Pronounciation
Is this how his name is pronounced? Appu (talk) 15:24, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2022
I only wanted to add a refrence. I will not remove the tildes and curly brackets below. 171.61.239.163 (talk) 16:44, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:56, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Religioun
Which religion he belongs? 119.158.118.184 (talk) 07:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hinduism Omgaddad (talk) 02:06, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2022
I have an updated family member change to add here. Samanvay Vajpayee and Samveg Vajpayee are his adoptive grandsons that I think should be added to his page. Iamthenextpm (talk) 20:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 20:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Vice President Section
Here the section "Vice President" showing the page not created, admin please link the page, Vice President of India. 2409:4060:293:C2A8:0:0:451:18A0 (talk) 16:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


 * It was fine in this version, but the error occured here. Trying to fix it.... <span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#FF8C00; text-shadow:skyblue 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em; font-weight:bold">Kpddg  (talk)  12:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not able to fix it, other than removing the parameter itself. Anyone has some idea? <span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#FF8C00; text-shadow:skyblue 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em; font-weight:bold">Kpddg  (talk)  12:53, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

militants vs terrorists
, please justify your repeated addition of the term "terrorists". The sources that I can check at the moment, which are Guha 2007 and this source, do not support your terminology; the two sources you provided do not either. Content that isn't supported by sources is considered original research, and isn't acceptable on Wikipedia. Vanamonde (Talk) 10:08, 27 August 2022 (UTC)