Talk:Athletic trainer/Archives/2012

Re-adding merge suggestion
There's been a lot of discussion here and on ""Sports Trainer" and the general view has been in favour of a merge. The only dissenting voice is that of the original author of Sports Trainer.

Reading the articles dispassionately two things stand out: 1. The similarities between them are greater than the differences. 2. Each is parochial - this article is US-centric and Sports Trainer is Australia-centric.

Clearly what's needed is a wider article which brings together common strands but also explains different local practices. So I've added merge suggestions to both articles.

andy 09:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Bradles01 was blocked for sockpuppetry and disruption once, and has done it again, so we are back to square one. If you want the deleted history of sports trainer to expand this article then you're welcome, but I suspect you could do a better job from other sources. Guy (Help!) 15:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Athletic training is a name-recognized field practiced in the United States and Canada (and emerging elsewhere in the world). If there is a different, more inclusive umbrella term that encompasses all of the athletic rehabilitation and performance management aspects, athletic training and sports training could fit under that umbrella.  However, each page should be allowed to be maintained individually, insofar as each is written and cited in a fashion appropriate to Wikipedia. Trwoods (talk) 08:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)........................................................................


 * Actually, in Canada, they are referred to as athletic therapists. Perhaps we should add a small section or simply mention somewhere in the article the different titles that the position has in different countries.ITasteLikePaint (talk) 00:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)




 * Keep in mind, that Athletic Training in the US is commonly a legally-protected (at the state level) professional title, varying from simple title-protection to registration and licensure. All states that do so require certification by the Board of Certification.  If Canada also requires or accepts BOC certification, as I believe it does, then I would welcome a modification to include Athletic Therapist as well as assistance in improving content along those lines.  Who else certifies athletic therapists to practice in Canada?


 * To reiterate my disagreement about merging and redirecting sports trainer to the Athletic Trainer page is based on the fact that they are not the same profession. According to Sports Medicine Australia, a Sports Trainer (Level 1) can be certified with as little as 25 hours or coursework.  Further, they are not considered healthcare professionals (according to the SMA).  Neither of these attributes are compatible with those of the Athletic Trainer.  While the term "athletic trainer" may be derived of common words, the specificity of the practice of Athletic Training, and the legally-protected title demonstrate that the two professions are not the same, but are common in their relation to sport.  However, athletic trainers are not limited to sport-related practice.  Trwoods (talk) 02:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The BOC and the CATA have a Mutual Recognition Arrangement. If you are a certified member in good standing you are eligible to test to become certified by the other. http://www.athletictherapy.org/en/credential_recognition.aspx and it sounds like they need to be licensed by some other organization (probably the provencial government) but I'm not positive.ITasteLikePaint (talk) 02:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The fact of the matter is that an Athletic Trainer's job is to provide on the spot care to any injured member of the sports club they are with. The trainer diagnoses the injury and gives instruction to what action needs to be done. A Personal Trainer is designed to get or keep someone in shape. These two careers should stay seperate. No merge is required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.29.107.62 (talk) 13:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Sports and athletic trainers not the same
WIKIPEDIA IS STUPID. IT RE-DIRECTS ARTICLE SPORTS TRAINER TO ATHLETIC TRAINER ALTHOUGH THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROFESSIONS! XO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.60.110 (talk) 10:52, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Lost content
Found this mistakenly put into a category page. Some wording or links or something in it might be of use here: Athletic training encompasses the prevention, diagnosis, and intervention of emergency, acute, and chronic medical conditions involving impairment, functional limitations, and disabilities. Under the supervision of a licensed physician, athletic trainers administer immediate emergency and follow-up care. They develop athletic injury prevention and treatment programs using their knowledge of biomechanics, anatomy and pathology.

Athletic trainers also provide a vital communication link between the injured athlete, the physician, the coach, and sometimes the athlete's family, to determine when it’s right to return to practice and competition.

External links and references

 * National Athletic Trainers' Association
 * National Athletic Trainers Association Board of Certification
 * Commission on Accreditation of Athletic Training Education

—  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93; ‹(-¿-)› 02:19, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Differences between Personal Trainers and Athletic Trainers
This PDF is from the National Athletic Trainer’s website and clearly differentiates Athletic Trainers and Personal Trainers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ITasteLikePaint (talk • contribs) 21:41, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Rename
A discussion has started here about renaming this article. ITasteLikePaint (talk) 19:47, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Update
First of all, I am glad to see that Wikipedia did the right thing to separate Personal Trainers from Athletic Trainers. Having served as an Athletic Trainer in the schools and as a Personal Trainers in the gyms, I can tell you that the education, certification, training, and scope of the profession are completely different. With that said, I notice that Sports Trainer redirects you to Athletic Trainer. In the fields of Exercise Science and Sports Medicine, the term Sports Trainer is not really used as a profession. You are either an Athletic Trainer or a Personal Trainer. Now, you can be a Strength Coach, which is of course different than a Personal Trainer. Having served as a Stregth Coach in the schools as well, I can tell you that the scope of the profession is different than that of a Personal Trainer, despite some of the similarities in degrees such as Kinesiology and certifications like those from the NSCA and the ACSM. Strength Coaches work with athletics teams, like Athletic Trainers but from a strength and conditioning standpoint as opposed to an injury assessment and rehabilitation perspective; Personal Trainers generally work with individual clients, usually in the adult population, to improve one's overall health and fitness.--Mike Michelakis —Preceding undated comment added 14:43, 15 December 2010 (UTC).
 * Apparently there is a lot more going on with “Sports trainer” than either of us thought. After a little digging, it seems that this is a much more complicated than semantics. Based on what I could find, I made the changes that I feel are right. Feel free to check my work and see what you think. ITasteLikePaint (talk) 23:46, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

The article, while it is good that it is no longer a redirect to athletic trainer and is a stand alone entity of its own, sounds alot like student trainers going to school in the process of becoming athletic trainers. Check out NATA approved curriculum programs who use the athletics programs on college campuses, which have student trainers help out at sports practices. These count as hours towards ATC certification. Just being CPR and First Aid certified through the ARC or the AHA doesn't make you a sports trainer, as mentioned in the article. A number of hands on hours are required, not to mention continuing education. Again, do some research and you will find that the sports trainer seems to be a subsidiary of the athletic trainer. Thus, the student trainer here in America, similar to but different from the sports trainer in Austrailia.--Mike Michelakis —Preceding undated comment added 14:09, 16 December 2010 (UTC).

Origin of name
Anybody have any idea how the word "trainer" came to be used in this context? To me the word suggests someone who would assist an athlete to get in shape, rather than someone who provides therapy for injuries, similar to the usage in "personal trainer". Wschart (talk) 13:16, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I know that it dates back to the olympic games in Athens but I don't know more off the top of my head. Beyond the Shoebox is a book about the history of the profession. I haven't had a chance to read my copy yet but it may be in that. ITasteLikePaint (talk) 05:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Name Change
What does the community think about changing the page name to Athletic Training. It seems more appropriate to define the profession rather than someone that practices within that profession. For example massage therapist, chiropractor, and physical therapist all refer the user to the profession (Massage, Chiropractic, Physical Therapy) GTEP (talk) 16:06, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support-ITasteLikePaint (talk) 22:25, 10 May 2012 (UTC)