Talk:Athlone–Longford (Dáil constituency)

Requested move 22 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved. (page mover nac) The editor  whose username is Z0  10:44, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

– This matches the page Dáil constituencies recently renamed by. I can't see any loss of clarity from the renaming. Being more concise, it will also be easier on editors. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 14:42, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Athlone–Longford (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Athlone–Longford (Dáil constituency)
 * Carlow–Kildare (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Carlow–Kildare (Dáil constituency)
 * Cavan (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cavan (Dáil constituency)
 * Clare–Galway South (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Clare–Galway South (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork Borough (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork Borough (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork City (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork City (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork City North-West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork City North-West (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork City South-East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork City South-East (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork East and North East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork East and North East (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork Mid (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork Mid (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork Mid, North, South, South East and West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork Mid, North, South, South East and West (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork North (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork North (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork North-East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork North-East (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork South (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork South (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork South-East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork South-East (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork West (Dáil constituency)
 * Donegal East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Donegal East (Dáil constituency)
 * Donegal North-East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Donegal North-East (Dáil constituency)
 * Donegal South-West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Donegal South-West (Dáil constituency)
 * Donegal West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Donegal West (Dáil constituency)
 * Donegal–Leitrim (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Donegal–Leitrim (Dáil constituency)
 * Galway (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Galway (Dáil constituency)
 * Galway North (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Galway North (Dáil constituency)
 * Galway North-East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Galway North-East (Dáil constituency)
 * Galway South (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Galway South (Dáil constituency)
 * Kerry North (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Kerry North (Dáil constituency)
 * Kerry North–West Limerick (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Kerry North–West Limerick (Dáil constituency)
 * Kerry South (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Kerry South (Dáil constituency)
 * Kerry–Limerick West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Kerry–Limerick West (Dáil constituency)
 * Kildare (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Kildare (Dáil constituency)
 * Kildare–Wicklow (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Kildare–Wicklow (Dáil constituency)
 * Kilkenny (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Kilkenny (Dáil constituency)
 * Laois–Offaly (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Laois–Offaly (Dáil constituency)
 * Leitrim (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Leitrim (Dáil constituency)
 * Leitrim–Roscommon North (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Leitrim–Roscommon North (Dáil constituency)
 * Leitrim–Sligo (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Leitrim–Sligo (Dáil constituency)
 * Limerick (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Limerick (Dáil constituency)
 * Limerick City–Limerick East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Limerick City–Limerick East (Dáil constituency)
 * Limerick East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Limerick East (Dáil constituency)
 * Limerick West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Limerick West (Dáil constituency)
 * Longford–Roscommon (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Longford–Roscommon (Dáil constituency)
 * Louth–Meath (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Louth–Meath (Dáil constituency)
 * Mayo East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Mayo East (Dáil constituency)
 * Mayo North (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Mayo North (Dáil constituency)
 * Mayo North and West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Mayo North and West (Dáil constituency)
 * Mayo South (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Mayo South (Dáil constituency)
 * Mayo South–Roscommon South (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Mayo South–Roscommon South (Dáil constituency)
 * Mayo West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Mayo West (Dáil constituency)
 * Meath (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Meath (Dáil constituency)
 * Meath–Westmeath (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Meath–Westmeath (Dáil constituency)
 * Monaghan (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Monaghan (Dáil constituency)
 * Roscommon (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Roscommon (Dáil constituency)
 * Roscommon–Leitrim (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Roscommon–Leitrim (Dáil constituency)
 * Roscommon–South Leitrim (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Roscommon–South Leitrim (Dáil constituency)
 * Sligo (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Sligo (Dáil constituency)
 * Sligo–Mayo East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Sligo–Mayo East (Dáil constituency)
 * Sligo–North Leitrim (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Sligo–North Leitrim (Dáil constituency)
 * Tipperary Mid, North and South (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Tipperary Mid, North and South (Dáil constituency)
 * Tipperary North (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Tipperary North (Dáil constituency)
 * Tipperary South (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Tipperary South (Dáil constituency)
 * Waterford–Tipperary East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Waterford–Tipperary East (Dáil constituency)
 * Westmeath (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Westmeath (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Artane (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Artane (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Ballyfermot (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Ballyfermot (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Cabra (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Cabra (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Clontarf (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Clontarf (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin County (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin County (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin County Mid (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin County Mid (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin County North (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin County North (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin County South (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin County South (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin County West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin County West (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Finglas (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Finglas (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Mid (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Mid (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin North (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin North (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin North-Central (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin North-Central (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin North-East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin North-East (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Rathmines West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Rathmines West (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin South (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin South (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin South-East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin South-East (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Townships (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Townships (Dáil constituency)
 * Dún Laoghaire and Rathdown (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dún Laoghaire and Rathdown (Dáil constituency)
 * Carlow–Kilkenny (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Carlow–Kilkenny (Dáil constituency)
 * Cavan–Monaghan (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cavan–Monaghan (Dáil constituency)
 * Clare (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Clare (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork East (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork North-Central (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork North-Central (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork North-West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork North-West (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork South-Central (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork South-Central (Dáil constituency)
 * Cork South-West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Cork South-West (Dáil constituency)
 * Donegal (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Donegal (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Bay North (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Bay North (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Bay South (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Bay South (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Central (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Central (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Fingal (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Fingal (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Mid-West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Mid-West (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin North-West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin North-West (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin Rathdown (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Rathdown (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin South-Central (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin South-Central (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin South-West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin South-West (Dáil constituency)
 * Dublin West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin West (Dáil constituency)
 * Dún Laoghaire (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dún Laoghaire (Dáil constituency)
 * Galway East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Galway East (Dáil constituency)
 * Galway West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Galway West (Dáil constituency)
 * Kerry (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Kerry (Dáil constituency)
 * Kildare North (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Kildare North (Dáil constituency)
 * Kildare South (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Kildare South (Dáil constituency)
 * Laois (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Laois (Dáil constituency)
 * Limerick City (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Limerick City (Dáil constituency)
 * Limerick County (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Limerick County (Dáil constituency)
 * Longford–Westmeath (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Longford–Westmeath (Dáil constituency)
 * Louth (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Louth (Dáil constituency)
 * Mayo (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Mayo (Dáil constituency)
 * Meath East (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Meath East (Dáil constituency)
 * Meath West (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Meath West (Dáil constituency)
 * Offaly (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Offaly (Dáil constituency)
 * Roscommon–Galway (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Roscommon–Galway (Dáil constituency)
 * Sligo–Leitrim (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Sligo–Leitrim (Dáil constituency)
 * Tipperary (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Tipperary (Dáil constituency)
 * Waterford (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Waterford (Dáil constituency)
 * Wexford (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Wexford (Dáil constituency)
 * Wicklow (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Wicklow (Dáil constituency)
 * Strongly oppose - The name of the lower house of the Irish parliament is Dáil Éireann, Dáil is just a shorthand. The naming convention should follow the name of the house. Spleodrach (talk) 20:55, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: - This is for the disambiguation part of the title, so strict formality should not be required. But even consider the formal context of legislation, as the most recent two electoral law statute uses the term Dáil Constituencies in their title, Electoral (Amendment) (Dáil Constituencies) Act 2013 and Electoral (Amendment) (Dáil Constituencies) Act 2017, shortening to Dáil can hardly be dismissed as mere shorthand. Similarly, we use Members of the 32nd Dáil, rather than Members of the 32nd Dáil Éireann, so the suggested move adds consistency across the project. –Iveagh Gardens (talk) 09:44, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Or indeed in the case of Talk:Government of the 31st Dáil, where it wasn't raised as a better title in a different discussion. –Iveagh Gardens (talk) 11:55, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The titles of pieces of Irish legislation have a different audience from the titles of WP articles, so consistency with them is not an urgent consideration. Also, see the text of Dáil Éireann: “In common usage, the word Dáil is accompanied by the definite article, but Dáil Éireann is not. So one speaks of "the Dáil" but not "the Dáil Éireann"”. Hence, titles of articles on specific Dáileanna are almost bound to take the form "..of the 32nd Dáil" as opposed to "..of 32nd Dáil Éireann" for reasons of clarity of phrasing; they are not helpful for analogy in this instance. Harfarhs (talk) 03:36, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Mildly support - "Dáil constituency" is used in general conversation (as is "Seanad constituency" for the strange franchises applicable to the upper house), and is fully clear to any Irish person. I agree that it is important to respect both the body and the conventions, but brevity and clarity are also of value, and to most non-Irish speakers, Dail and Dail Eireann are equally obscure. SeoR (talk) 07:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "..and is fully clear to any Irish person" – that isn't really the point, is it? Harfarhs (talk) 03:36, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That was my closing point - to general readers, neither term is going to be familiar, but then we should use the more concise one. I imagine this was the reason for using "parliamentary" in the first place, as the generic term globally, and it is technically correct, of course, Dail constituencies are simply one form.  But for all the reasons mentioned elsewhere, we can certainly come up with a more compact title.SeoR (talk) 10:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - The move of Dáil constituencies was being used as justification for these proposed moves, but this article has now been moved back to Parliamentary constituencies in the Republic of Ireland by User:Dekimasu. Spleodrach (talk) 07:32, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment and I have contested that. jnestorius(talk) 09:32, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. Wikipedia prefers WP:COMMONNAME to WP:OFFICIALNAME. Category:Constituencies of the Parliament of the United Kingdom has a long name but most of the articles have names like Brentford (UK Parliament constituency) rather than Brentford (United Kingdom Parliament constituency) or  Brentford (House of Commons of the United Kingdom constituency) . jnestorius(talk) 09:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - in favour of brevity, no risk of ambiguity Bogger (talk) 10:42, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support as per WP:CONCISE and jnestorius. It would probably be a different situation if parliament was called "Chamber", "Congress", "Assembly" or whatever (as these would not be unambiguous enough), but "Dáil Éireann" is a pretty much unique name, and "Dáil" would be concise and unambiguous enough to provide a full identification of the subject. Also, the official name would only prevail if this was an article on a government department, agency, or official (as per WP:NCGAL), but this is not the case here.  Impru20 talk 13:12, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Support for brevity. Number   5  7  16:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:CONCISE. Also, the "long-form" versions will still exist as redirects, so nothing is really lost in moving these. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:27, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose for same reason as User:Spleodrach. Harfarhs (talk) 03:36, 29 August 2018 (UTC)


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