Talk:Atlantic Theater aircraft carrier operations during World War II

=Overview of article series regarding aircraft carrier operations=

This article is intended to be part of a series of six focused upon aircraft carrier operations during World War II. The original article was broken down into six separate ones due to length of the subject matter.

It was originally intended that all of these articles be completed before going live on Wikipedia, but the pandemic makes it prudent to go live with what is available now and add the rest of the material as it is completed, COVID willing. The planned articles are outlined below.

1st (main) article Aircraft carrier operations during World War II  1 Ascendancy of aircraft carriers 2 Functions performed by aircraft carriers 3 Aircraft carrier contribution To Allied victory 4 Atlantic theater carrier operations [including link to separate article #2] 5 Pacific theater carrier operations [including link to separate article #3] 6 Lists of aircraft carriers operational during the war [including link to separate article #4] 7 Lists of carrier operations during World War II       [including link to separate article #5] 8 Design and capability of carriers during World War II       [including link to separate article #6] 9 Carrier air squadrons and crews 10 Carrier aircraft 11 Carrier and carrier aircraft weapon systems 12 Footnotes 13 Principal sources 14 Citations 15 See also

2nd article Atlantic theater aircraft carrier operations during World War II  1 Atlantic war overview (1939-1945) 2 Carriers in the Atlantic (1939-1945) 3 Commanders, organizations, and strategies (1939 - 1945) 4 Battle of the Atlantic (1939-1945) 5 Battle of the Mediterranean (1939-1943) 6 Allied Invasion of North Africa (1942) 7 Allied invasion of Italy (1943) 8 Allied invasions of France (1944)

3rd article Pacific theater aircraft carrier operations during World War II  1 Pacific war overview (1930-1945) 2 Carriers in the Pacific theater (1939-1945) 3 Commanders, organizations, and strategies (1939-1945) 4 Japanese invasions of China (1931-1945) 5 Japanese invasion of French Indochina (1940) 6 Japanese rapid expansion of empire (1941-1942) 7 Allied battle for East Africa and the Indian Ocean (1940-1945) 8 Turning points in the Pacific war (1942) 9 Allies take the strategic initiative (1942-1944) 10 Allied drive across the central Pacific (1943-1944) 11 Allied domination and victory (1944-1945)

4th Article Lists of aircraft carriers operational during World War II  1 American carriers 2 British carriers 3 Japanese carriers 4 Other countries carriers 5 Carriers sunk 6 Carriers damaged 7 Carriers operational at the end of each month

5th Article Lists of Carrier operations during World War II  1 Named operations involving carriers 2 Carriers at specific battles, invasions, and raids

6th Article Design and capability of aircraft carriers operational during World War II  1 Fleet carriers 2 Escort carriers 3 Other carriers Bryantbob (talk) 02:27, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I have submitted text and tables I drafted about aircraft carriers to both Wikipedia and the World War II Database. (See, for example, a summary article at https://ww2db.com/other.php?other_id=49 In some cases, some of the text I submit to the two websites is identical. It is not copied from one website to the other but comes directly from me.   I am posting this information on this Talk page in case a contributor/editor comes across verbatim submissions and suspects it is plagiarized.  It is not.  I draft the text for both websites.  The text I submit does not include changes from other contributor/editors.  I claim no copyright for it.  Text I draft for both websites may be freely copied and used by anyone.  I believe my submissions are in keeping with all the policies of both websites.  After communicating my intentions to make submissions on a non-exclusive basis to a contributor/editor at World War II Database, I received the following reply:

“You said, ‘My only requirement for providing content for World War II Database is that doing so does not in any way constrain my using the same material for use elsewhere.’ No problem. WW2db has some concerns about how WW2db content is used elsewhere but the contributed material belongs to the contributor. Besides, no one can copyright the facts of history anyway; an author can copyright the precise text he uses to describe it, but the underlying factual information cannot be copyrighted. If you know a thing from history, you can write about it or talk about it as many times as you want in as many places as you want and nobody can say “Boo” about it. Even if WW2db could limit your use of your material elsewhere, we wouldn’t want to. The important thing here is the story – and the World War II story is an important one – so if the story gets told here and there and also some other place, we see that as a good thing.” Bryantbob (talk) 18:53, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

=Removed template messages re lead section and article size=

A lead section was added and the article was reviewed for possibilities to subdivide it to reduce its size. This article was already separated from its main article to facilitate navigation. While it is large (152Kb), it is not as large as other lengthy articles covering WWII, such as Pacific War article, which is 213KB in length. The organization of the six related articles appears appropriate, with this article covering the Atlantic Theater and another covering the Pacific Theater. The article's Table of Contents was expanded to include subparagraphs and appear adequate to guide the reader to areas of interest. Bryantbob (talk) 01:25, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Removed template messages requesting citations and clarifications
I added citations and clarifications and removed template messages requesting them: Bryantbob (talk) 18:17, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
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Reliable Sources
I temporarily restored Military Factory to the list of References. It is not specifically cited in this article, and I do not object to removing it but, having used this source in the past, I would like to more about how it was determined to be unreliable. I viewed the 2015 discussion at "Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Firearms/Archive 9", but did not see that the discussion came to a firm conclusion. And I do not see it on the list at "Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources." , Thanks, and thanks again for your contributions to this article. Bryantbob (talk) 17:13, 24 January 2022 (UTC)