Talk:Atlantic puffin/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Jimfbleak (talk · contribs) 06:32, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi again, I'll work through this as and when I get time.  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:32, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

General
 * Lead is much too short for an article of this length, and doesn't adequately summarise the article, see Manual of _Style/Lead section
 * Expanded Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Images (not checked in detail yet). One of the flight images unnecessarily includes the article's title. What's the point of the gallery? If it doesn't serve a specific purpose, it shouldn't be there, Commons is the place for galleries (if you're worried about upsetting people, let me know and I'll swing the axe)
 * Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 13 lacks authors and page numbers, ref 51 is capitalised differently to the other journal refs
 * Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * "There once was a puffin" by Florence Page Jaques has been a favourite over the years. &mdash; what makes the reference for this a WP:RS?
 * Removed Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Any parasites? I can email you Rothschild & Clay Fleas, flukes and cuckoos if you want
 * Added Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:38, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * There are a handful of duplicated links, Manx s/w, both skuas, herring, capelin, Lundy, N Sea, Isle of May, predation, monogamous.
 * Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Taxonomy
 * looks OK, worth mentioning that Horned is the closest relative?
 * Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Description
 *  They and the large webbed feet &mdash; reads oddly
 * Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * link moult, fledging, plumage
 * Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Distribution
 * OK, but para 3 overworks "birds", para 4 lower cases "puffin" twice when it should be capped
 * Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Life at sea
 * first two lines repeat stuff from previous section.
 * Removed Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I see you've linked moult here, should have been at first use.
 * Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * just for interest, on the plumage pattern, I wondered if you have seen this (you don't need to refer to it)
 * Interesting Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

The colony
 * Atlantic Puffins seem to think there is safety in numbers &mdash; Does your source actually claim to know what birds are thinking? Otherwise OK
 * Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Reproduction
 *  Incubation in a dark nesting burrow is a boring task &mdash; How do we know the puffins are bored? Sleeping is a logical thing to do when there is no facility to do much else, and I'm not sure that we know what they are thinking, or whether they are that self-aware
 * Removed Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Ecology Relationships with humans
 * No queries at present
 * The puffin viewing sentence is unsourced, and I'm not clear why this site is singled out for special mention, as opposed to, say, the Farnes or Skomer. Personally I'd lose it.
 * Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * 20,000 square kilometres (7,700 sq mi) &mdash; obviously wrong, I think you have taken their minimum viable size criterion, actual range 1,620,000 km2
 * depravations &mdash; depredations?
 * Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Stamp image would be less intrusive on the right
 * Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Well-researched, and generally pretty sound, the only major problem being the lead. I'll have another read when you have had time to digest the comments, I assume this will end up at FA?  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  09:12, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking on this review - yes, FAC is the objective. I'll work through your points in the next couple of days. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I've made these edits, please check
 * Map. For FA you should add what your data source was for the mapping, and the base map you used
 * My outline for the range map came from Commons. The breeding range etc. came from my Boag & Alexander and I used my skills(?) with Paintshop Pro to add the information to the outline. How do I go about adding that information? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:38, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Just go to the Commons image page and add the relevant data here's one I made earlier  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  19:56, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Done Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:40, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Images
 * You could have the featured picture as the lead image, up to you
 * I prefer the present lead image. The FP looks like a stuffed puffin. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:38, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Puffins at Lunga isn't very good, is there a better colony image
 * Replaced. I found a whole lot of images that I hadn't discovered before. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:40, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about the licensing of puffin (2), the one with the beakful. If permission has been given, I would expect an OTRS ticket. You could leave it for now and see if it's challenged at FA
 * Changed anyway Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:40, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Refs
 * Ref 5, I've added the page
 * Thanks Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 14 needs the editors and publisher of the 1905 book
 * Found a different source Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 24, should "Re-Estabishment" have the second capital?
 * No Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

We are nearly there, I might do a couple of spot checks and have another look at the refs while I'm waiting for your responses  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  18:23, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

Very solid, just a couple of suggestions before FA
 * Those parasites without article should either all be unlinked or all redlinked, it's likely that at FA you will be asked to redlink, so you might as well do it now (or write one-sentence stubs)
 * The current fashion at FA is to unlink continents and sovereign countries
 * If you need to find alternative/additional sources at any stage, always worth asking at the project page, I've got a decent collection of books, and some editors have university journal access

Good luck  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:31, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Jim for the review and advice. I've just written an article for the rabbit flea. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:35, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm impressed! This is my most recent bug (there isn't much else about it that I can find, and there isn't even a family article}  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  08:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)