Talk:Atlas Network/Archive 4

Econ Journal Watch
It looks like the group publishes Econ Journal Watch. That should be worked into this article. Champaign Supernova (talk) 07:11, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Logo obsolete!
115.69.63.229 (talk) 07:48, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Suggested removal of Sir Antony Fisher Achievement Awards
There's no sources for it and far as I can see it's a non-notable award.Ebbing and flowey (talk) 12:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Suggested removal of Twitter account claims
I saw this recent edit. As far as I can tell, the claims about Atlas Network's involvement in Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia and Cuba are all coming from one person. The article calls him a disinformation "expert" but I couldn't find other sources corroborating his opinion. Everything points to this one person. I would clarify that this is one person's opinion or delete. PJpile (talk) 16:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * PJpile, The Guardian is a reliable independent source (WP:RSP), so I lean toward including it, with WP:INTEXT attribution if you think it is opinionated per WP:BIASED ("reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective"). Llll5032 (talk) 22:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes there is no reason to exclude information from a reliable source such as The Guardian. Adding an attribution such as "According to disinformation expert Julián Macías Tovar ... " to the start of the sentence would be fine with me. Julián Macías Tovar seems to be well known in the area of disinformation. He is Spanish and runs a project called Pandemia Digital.
 * Burrobert (talk) 02:36, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Burrobert, are there corroborating sources to add, either in English or Spanish? Is Pandemia Digital considered a RS on Spanish Wikipedia? Llll5032 (talk) 03:06, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't really know anything about Julián Macías Tovar. I obtained the information from a google search. We don't need a corroborating source since we can accept The Guardian 's assessment of his expertise. Burrobert (talk) 04:33, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * This is generally true per WP:RS, although it makes WP:INTEXT attribution more necessary. Llll5032 (talk) 05:08, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I am fine with that. Burrobert (talk) 05:10, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Nonpartisan?
Doctorstrange617, I removed a statement you added to the article that said Atlas considers itself nonpartisan, because I could not find where the cited sources said it. If a source says it clearly, then you could restore the claim with a footquote (which allows readers to immediately identify the applicable portion of the reference). In this situation, citing a statement by Atlas itself could be due. Llll5032 (talk) 03:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Censorship?
Atlas denies climate catastrophe ...I added information on Atlas' role in negating climate crisis introducing the heading "criticism" on 14th of September. Heading and chapter is removed. WikiYeti (talk) 20:47, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I merged the information into existing sections of the article. Much of it is WP:DUE. However, WP:CSECTION and WP:STRUCTURE discourage separate sections devoted to criticism, and per WP:SYNTH we should limit sources to the ones that describe Atlas directly. Llll5032 (talk) 21:37, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

"Refutation"
Philadelphia Magazine described Atlas Network as "supporting free-market approaches to eliminating poverty and noted for its refutation of climate change and defense of the tobacco industry."

Of course they did not "refute climate change". It's a quote, and if we use the quote, it has to stay like that; nevertheless, we should try to find a way to replace the market-fundamentalist propaganda lie by a neutral wording. I cannot think of one at the moment. --Hob Gadling (talk) 18:39, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Chaufen and 1980s-2000 growth
I restored this sentence, cited to Plehwe, because it describes a significant period in the group's history. User:Doctorstrange617, do you still believe that there is a compelling reason to remove it? Llll5032 (talk) 02:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm only pushing for removal because it's unclear how much of this group's growth can be attributed to Alejandro Chafuen (the name seems to be misspelled too). Brad Lips became CEO in 2009 (see here), so a lot of the growth must have happened under Lips, not Chafuen. That's what I mean by "speculation."
 * We could edit the sentence, but it would be easier to just remove it altogether. Does that make sense? Doctorstrange617 (talk) 16:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Doctorstrange617. I edited the sentence to make corrections based on what you wrote, aligning with the descriptions in the cited source after page 259. Llll5032 (talk) 17:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Looks good. Doctorstrange617 (talk) 18:19, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and thanks again. That source, Nine Lives of Neoliberalism, appears to be well reviewed and it has a chapter about the Atlas Network, so it could be a good independent source of more information. Llll5032 (talk) 18:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I'll look into it... Doctorstrange617 (talk) 14:03, 30 January 2024 (UTC)