Talk:Atlin, British Columbia

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I was in Atlin recently and will post some photos soon. Ghostreveries (talk) 17:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks in advance.....Skookum1 (talk) 18:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus, not moved DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Atlin, British Columbia → Atlin – Although Atlin Lake is widely known, the town is the primarytopic for this name, which per Canadian disambiguation standards should have no comma-province disambiguation. Skookum1 (talk) 05:06, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No proof that there is a primary topic and Canadian disambiguation standards don't override the need to prove that there is a primary topic especially with a dab page at the main namespace. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:32, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Well I'll see if I can winnow some google cites for you but it will be hard because of the town being on the lake and the District and other titles named for the town; all are intertwined. But there are lots of examples where a town/city/jurisdiction is the primary topic over the lake or river it's named after - Ontario vs Lake Ontario, Erie over Lake Erie, Michigan over Lake Michigan, Winnipeg over Lake Winnipeg and on a minor scale, Dawson Creek also (where the creek is unlikely to ever have an article).......and don't tell me OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - those are major precedents and serve as an example of existing conventions for PRIMARYTOPICS of this kind.  Atlin is the only sizeable settlement (such as it is) in a corner of BC that's larger than West Virginia and other states, when someone says "I'm going to Atlin" they mean the town, though they wind up being at the lake too, and historically it's very high profile (during the Klondike Gold Rush, if you search the NYT archive, they called it "Atlin, Alaska''.   They weren't talking about the lake.Skookum1 (talk) 14:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * note today's RM for Talk:Dease Lake, British Columbia which is of the same kind of issue, as is Cassiar, British Columbia though not about a lake. I'm considering Williams Lake and Campbell River for the same reasons.Skookum1 (talk) 14:47, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
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 * To DLE, your comment/reply on the Comox RM that I should "take it to Move Review" and your claim that such matters are subjective led me to take Atlin should be at least relisted, better yet it should be overturned by someone who does not rationalize a bad call as "subjective" when objective evidence abounds, as well as "local expertise" vs a "no proof" spurious objection from someone who's never heard of the place. CONSISTENCY re other town-titles and [[WP:CSG are very, very clear, and were ignored by the opponent and the closer both; the close was improper, and the fuss and rigamarole of Move Review should not be necessary; nor should having to dig out stats for any of these have been needed simply because one editor has a complete lack of GF towards the proponent, who is acting on the consensual mandate of CANSTYLE, CANTALK, TITLE and more, and who happens to have expertise, a factor which seems regarded as less and less of value around here; even derided.|this to the RM talk page]], as given your reply on Comox there seems no point in asking you to relist this or change your decision; Comox, BC is now back on the table, however, at least via support of the participants (all but the usual "oppose" PRIMARYTOPIC-demander) at the Comox people RM.  These are not subjective matters, objective data and informed input from persons with local expertise must be taken into account; if you are not prepared to look into the matter yourself, and to not query the oppose vote as to what other primarytopic there might be (in this case there is NO POSSIBLE OTHER primarytopic for teh stand-alone title), then you should not be closing RMs at all.  If you don't know the subject matter, then indeed you are being "subjective" based on ignorance, not information.Skookum1 (talk) 15:27, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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