Talk:Atmosphères

Wikification
I added a ton of relevant internal links and broke the paragraph into two. I was unable to find any references to either of the 'facts' stated here, but I didn't think that qualified a complete deletion of the page. I left the unreferenced tag at the bottom and moved the stub marking to the top. DLPanther 21:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I would agree that deletion is not necessary - but this article is certainly lacking in content. The main article about Ligeti contains more useful information about the piece than does this page. The 2006 program note cited could also be construed as rather condescending, although it is probably simply written for an audience that is less-than-informed about 20th century music... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.204.129.85 (talk) 01:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I was say that the 2006 program note is, indeed, condescending. Indeed, written for an audience that the conductor apparently believes eats paste. This article (stub) is really a sort of mini-travesty. SG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.48.46.146 (talk) 02:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I removed the last, worst sentence from the quote. SethTisue (talk) 16:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Quotes that need citing
I couldn't find any reliable citations to this quote:

As described by Keith Lockhart before his performance of the work with the Utah Symphony in 2006 (paraphrased): "Any music teacher can tell you of the four main bodies of music: melody, harmony, rhythm and timbre. Ligeti, in this work, has chosen to abandon all but the latter, giving the piece a thickness of texture that few have accomplished before. There are fifty-five string players on the stage here. Normally, their goal is to play the same notes at the same time. Here, however, no two string players ever play the same note. This effectively creates nine minutes of pure sound, with no discernible melody."

So I removed it. I would be grateful if anyone else can put it back in with a source. Minima c  94 ( talk ) 05:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I added that request for a citation. It looked like something reported by someone who heard it spoken from the stage, but that really isn't good enough. The sentiment is accurate enough, and I'm sure that something citable can be found somewhere. This should not just be abandoned.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 07:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Enormous
I would certainly not say that this piece has ever enjoyed "enormous" fame, so I removed the word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Westknife (talk • contribs) 03:03, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, that may be an exaggeration, but it started to be performed much more frequently, and the fanbase of the movie was aware of it. Still not as famous perhaps as say Afternoon of a Faun or Invitation to the Dance.--WickerGuy (talk) 03:52, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The word "enormous" is not quantifiable, and added nothing to the sense of the sentence—only the potential for disagreement of this sort. It amounted to peacock language, and its removal does nothing to impair the actual sense of the sentence. This was a good judgment call, Westknife.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 06:35, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Agree per WP:PEACOCK.--WickerGuy (talk) 13:27, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * PS Was never disagreeing- just giving original rationale. Have further modified. Changed "fame" to "exposure".--WickerGuy (talk) 15:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that is an enormous improvement! (Much more encyclopedic—whatever exactly that means.)—Jerome Kohl (talk) 16:35, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

encores
I read somewhere that, at its premiere, Atmosphères was encored twice -- that is, played a total of three times. Can anyone confirm or deny this? WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 01:34, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Not three times, but twice is the version I heard, but I wasn't there, and "encored" suggests the audience demanded it be repeated, whereas I believe it was the conductor, Hans Rosbaud, who decided to programme it this way. I don't have a source immediately to hand, but will look for one. This was not an uncommon practice at that time (and I think especially in Rosbaud's case), on grounds that a single hearing was not sufficient for a listener to grasp such a radically new piece. This has even solidified into a tradition of sorts for some pieces, like Stockhausen's Gruppen, which is often today performed twice on the same programme.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 05:55, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

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