Talk:Atomic Heart

Requested move 24 March 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Silikonz 💬  13:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

– There is no question this page is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by pageviews for the title, with the album getting barely any views. The video game has been more popular since its announcement years ago, and is unlikely to match the album's views for many, many years. In reality, the disambiguation page shouldn't need to exist per WP:ONEOTHER, but I am listing it in case any quibblers oppose it on those grounds. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Atomic Heart (video game) → Atomic Heart
 * Atomic Heart → Atomic Heart (disambiguation)


 * Support per nom. Also, let's put a hatnote on Atomic Heart (video game) to Atomic Heart (album) per WP:ONEOTHER. –  City Urbanism   🗩   🖉  15:43, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Also I favor of just deleting the dab page for now. Hat notes on each article are enough as long as there's just 2. Sergecross73   msg me  18:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. ReneeWrites (talk) 08:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. At least there wasn't plenty video game titled Atomic Heart other than this. VernardoLau (talk) 07:31, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support because video game is a main use of this title, so disambig would be dubbed as (disambiguation)--Orange-kun (talk) 20:35, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Not mentioned: "technically pacifist" gameplay
Basically, every enemy in the game is a robot (cue cutschenes, where P-3 is using his glove, that has a plethora of less-lethal uses; the article needs some info on that. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 12:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)


 * If there are reliable sources that mention it in detail, sure. Otherwise, it seems like too gameguide-like stuff. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yup, exactly this. Do reliable sources take note of this? And use that label? It's only worth including if they do. Sergecross73   msg me  14:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Bioshock
What's wrong with comparing this game to Bioshock? All the sources do. Kurzon (talk) 16:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Dude, if you don't want to talk, I'm just going to go ahead and push my edits. Kurzon (talk) 18:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey, as you can tell from my contributions, I haven't been particularly active since our blocks! Like I said previously, I don't see the point in mentioning it. BioShock is a first-person shooter with role-playing elements, Atomic Heart is one. If it should be mentioned, the reception section would be the place for that. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 19:31, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * After one message, you waited a little over a day and call that "attempts"? We were both blocked for edit warring, are you quite sure this is the way to go? soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 19:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Well the one thing Atomic Heart has that Bioshock doesn't is dialogue choices, but even then you don't get to role-playing in the traditional sense of the term. In fact I am going to delete any mention of role-playing elements. Kurzon (talk) 19:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Like talking to a brick wall. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 19:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * As someone coming into the discussion from outside, I think Soetermans is correct here. Reception is the proper place for such a comparison, and putting it in the gameplay section presents as fact what is ultimately a matter of opinion. You may think the game is like Bioshock or you may not think so, which makes definitively claiming it is like Bioshock problematic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree with Soetermans that it should not be in gameplay in section. Comparison with BioShock can be put in the reception section with proper attribution to the person who made the comparison. Gameplay section should describe how the game actually plays, and "heavily inspired by BioShock" doesn't actually provide me with any information if I am unfamiliar with BioShock. What you have added is also original research since they are not backed by reliable sources, and your gameplay section is objectively worse than the previously one. Comparing each gameplay elements to other games is also, trivial and therefore, not needed at all. OceanHok (talk) 06:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree with the above. There's a place to mention comparisons or inspirations, and it's not the Gameplay section. WP:VGLAYOUT actually says to mention inspirations in the Development section, but I could see an argument for Reception as well. Woodroar (talk) 14:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)