Talk:Atonement (2007 film)/Archive 1

Headlines
Headlines. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 19:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Exclusive: A Chat with James McAvoy
 * James McAvoy Makes Atonement
 * Amazing tracking shot —Preceding unsigned comment added by JimDunning (talk • contribs) 12:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Removed Plot section - copyvio
I removed the entire Plot section because it appeared to have been lifted from [ http://www.amazon.com/Atonement/dp/B00005JPTE this Amazon page]. --85.158.137.195 13:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have also just removed the entire plot section, because it was directly copied from The Focus Features site . I strongly suggest anyone thinking of doing it again read WP:COPYVIO first. AnmaFinotera (talk) 08:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well someone desperately needs to write a new one, the article tells nothing of what the film's actually about. Nova Prime (talk) 15:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that a new plot was inserted recently and this plot has been profusely edited. But it still may come from a copyrighted website? — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 18:06, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Lead unsupported
Most of the information in the Lead lacks support in the article body. Either the Lead needs to be changed or a Distribution section needs to be initiated and the Production section augmented. Jim Dunning | talk  02:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Jim Dunning | talk  03:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've rearranged sections to be more consistent with Film Style Guidelines and started a Distribution section (which should be beefed up). The Production section also needs some work.

Wild About Movies
I've trimmed down the usage of multi-ref tagging for Wild About Movies. A tag does not need to be used every one or two sentences, just at the end of the paragraph or before a sentence that belongs to another reference. — Erik (talk • contrib) - 19:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Top Ten List list
How about if we convert the Top Ten List list to prose? It will make the article more readable if we summarize the list, identifying the significance and mentioning a few of the more notable lists. As it stands now eyes just glaze over and the import of the achievement is lost in the detail. Jim Dunning | talk  05:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If the awards and nominations section could be changed to something of a table (as in the articles The Departed or Crash (2004 film)), it would be more readable. The top ten list can be taken out, possibly; just keep the very very notable ones and #1s I guess. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 23:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Jim Dunning | talk  01:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Converting the awards list to prose, with statements of their significance, would be more informative and readable, similar to No Country for Old Men. I vote against the table format in The Departed (and here), unless it were summarized on the article page and then table-ized (?!) on a sub-page. I find the list format difficult to read (scroll, scroll, scroll, . . .), like not seeing the forest for the trees. Same for the top-ten lists. Anyone else think so?

Dead nominations
I removed the Chicago Film Critics Assoc nominations since the awards were decided six weeks ago. I'm assuming three minor nominations are no longer worth mentioning in these long lists once the contests have been decided. So, that raises the question of how we maintain the numerous lists that are proliferating among the current film articles? I guess we could flag decision dates and maybe maintain a centralized list (yes, another list) of what nominations have been listed in which articles and then review and emend/update daily. Jim Dunning | talk  04:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I disagree on removing nominations. Look at Crash (2004 film) and The Departed. Minor nominations are still in the table. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 20:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Dallas-Fort Worth Film Critics Association Awards
I was wondering whether the inclusion of the above trophy in the article is a good example of the alleged American bias of Wikipedia. Internationally, is it considered an important award? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.58.224 (talk) 02:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, in Australia we don't bother to see any film that hasn't won the D-FWFCA. In fact they no longer even try to distribute films that haven't won one. Greglocock (talk) 09:20, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Royal Sussex Regiment
The plot summary currently states that Robbie "is assigned to A Company, 1st Battalion, Royal Sussex Regiment". Can anyone confirm that this is mentioned somewhere in the film? As a matter of historical fact (see wiki article), the 1st Battalion spent the whole of WWII in the North African/Italian theatre, and was not involved in the Dunkirk evacuation. GrindtXX (talk) 20:45, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Long take on the shore
I wonder if there is any way to insert a reference to the 5 mins long take on the shore, that I think is noteworthy. I am not so fluent in english to find a way to rephrase the sentences in the description of the Dunkirk evacuation... now they are a little too terse work on them... — Pietro Toniolo (talk) 10:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi there! I'm planning on improving the article sometime next year. If sources mention it, I'll try to add the 5 minute take in, as I also think it was an important scene.  Ruby  2010/  2013  14:40, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There are many sources; we can choose from the results of a google search. Many of them are reliable, like IMDB and such... — Pietro Toniolo (talk) 09:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This shot is in fact already mentioned in the article, under Locations. It could be mentioned more prominently under (say) Production. GrindtXX (talk) 00:04, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The locations section will definitely become a subsection once I get around to writing the article's production. Also, Pietro, IMDb is unfortunately not a reliable source, but I know there are plenty of others that are reliable, which I will be using.  Ruby  2010/  2013  01:39, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Plot redux
Err ... the plot section is entirely skewed. Briony isn't freaked out and scared over Robbie's perceived attentions to her sister; she's jealous, and that's plain nearly every step of the way. She doesn't suddenly realize at age eighteen she got the wrong guy ... she knew it from the start, and accused Robbie by way of lashing out.  Ravenswing  13:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

In the novel Briony is frightened and confused. She was only 12 and people were much less informed about sex in those days. Have avoided the film because I found the novel harrowing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.7.144.187 (talk) 11:25, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

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Plot
No where in the plot section does it mention that Cecilia ad Robbie died before meeting up again. I'd say this was a pretty crucial point? I'd add it myself but I was half asleep when watching it. Vanillav (talk) 23:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

If you mean that they meet up with each other at the seaside then that is easily accounted for by indicating that the purpose of the last book was to being about the happy reunion of them despite having been separated by the prison stint and they having died in separate incidents as part of the last book. Redgrave's character explains that in her interview.2605:E000:9152:8F00:112A:4023:2176:3EB (talk) 10:13, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Throwning Scene
I think it would be worthwhile for someone to insert into the plot, the scene where Briony throws herself into the lake for Robbie to save her. It provides depth into her character and gives her more motive. The current plot seems to skip over it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sworded lion26 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I also do think this section is missing. I isn't only giving her "more motvie", it is THE motive for she obviously was in love with Robbie and later in the hospital confesses it was so. She not only misinterpreted the scenes between Robbie and Cecilia, she was obviously jealous. Roadrunner gs (talk) 06:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You're wrong and doing the novel a disservice by giving Briony such a shallow motive. It should of course be considered that jealousy played a part, but there are so many other reasons that could also play a part in her reasoning; her wish to protect her sister, her fear of the raw sexuality in the letter, even her frustration at the events of that day leading to one silly childhood act.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.25.22.11 (talk) 14:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree, the author of this article has severely misinterpreted the character of Briony. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.91.196.77 (talk) 19:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Briony is not jealous of Cecelia and Robbie. She states, in the movie and in the novel, that as soon as she told Robbie that she was in love with him (when she was ten, and years before she accuses him of raping her cousin), the feeling immediately went away. Her motive for fingering him in the assault was threefold: she misinterpreted what she saw by the fountain (because she could not hear them talking, and because she looked at them halfway through the scene), she thought he had already tried to assault Cecelia in the library (and that she had rescued Cecelia from further harm by walking in on them), and she read the note with the word "cunt" in it. She was not aware that the scene in the library was consensual, and so I am going to change the plot as it is written now, since it suggests that she was jealous when she saw Robbie making love to her sister. The drowning scene is interesting as character development, but I'm not sure that it's all that necessary to the plot, so I am neutral about putting it in. If it is put in, though, please be sure to mention that as soon as she told him she loved him, the feeling dissipated. Keener Reed (talk) 05:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * WP guidelines clearly point out that it is not the role of WP plots to interpret what happens in the movie but to present the facts. You cannot interpret that someone is jealous, only that they say they are or another character has done so. Also, what is said in the book is for the article on the book not for interpolation into the movie plot. That is always a problem with multi-media works. What happens in the book stays with the article on the book and what happens in the movie stays with the article on the movie.2605:E000:9152:8F00:112A:4023:2176:3EB (talk) 10:19, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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Just need to say.
When Briony is being interviewed she makes mention that Cecelia and Robbie never met as she had portrayed them in her last book. She says this without having ever said previously that part of the plot except when we see what we believe to be what might be called "real time". If you take everything in the film as being a rehash from when Briony asks for a stop in the interview then what has come before that blackout is Briony telling us about her book and her life. The part of what we see through what Briony sees is one part and the other what some may call "real time" is another--what is going on when Briony is not seeing.

I know speculation is not part of WP but there has to be a reason for the black out scene, coming into the elder Briony asking for a break, then she making reference to her book that she has yet to talk about excect for what has been shown in the film as if a narration.2605:E000:9143:7000:ADA5:BB4C:1D89:F571 (talk) 02:25, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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