Talk:Attack on Mocha

Proposed merge of Sefer Reis with Attack on Mocha
No point in having several stubs when it is easier for researchers if they are all contained in a reasonable length article.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose merge - Same reason as per other related articles proposed to be merged: User Wareno proposed a merge due to notability yet the article meets the criteria set in WP:GNG. Moreover, the article is a separate relevant battle related to an ongoing conflict between the Portuguese and the Ottomans in the Red Sea, cherrypicking which articles should be merged is ridiculous. Also the user Wareno who began merging these articles (without discussion) nominated them for deletion, despite the result being keep he continued to merge the articles without discussion, clearly POV pushing and WP:JDLI. Regards, Kabz15 (talk)
 * Support. Does not meet WP:GNG. The user who created this page just likes dedicating articles to extremely trivial events, does not seem aware that Wikipedia allows users to take the initiative to merge pages, and does not respect consensus after the merge had been performed twice by two different users. Wareno (talk) 15:52, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, cited sources describe a battle at Mocha only in the broader context of the biography of Sefer Reis. signed,Rosguill talk 01:56, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The two articles are complimentary. Sefer Reis can have a hatnote pointing to Attack on Mocha, which goes into more detail. Neither article is a stub. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 02:57, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * A better merge target would be an article on the Portuguese in the Red Sea. We don't have such an article yet, but Andreu Martínez d'Alòs-Moner's article "Conquistadores, Mercenaries, and Missionaries: The Failed Portuguese Dominion of the Red Sea" offers an accessible place to start. (I would love to write it, but my to-do list is long...) Srnec (talk) 00:00, 6 January 2023 (UTC)