Talk:Atze Schröder

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in imdb his name could be looked, and with these information also his adress and telephone number. [ http://dastelefonbuch.de/?kw=Hubertus+Albers&ort=Emsdetten&cmd=search ]

lol nice! this war around his real name was the silliest thing he could ever do! --Krassonkel 17:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, if this is a war, has Wikipedia become the battleground? WP:NOT --B. Wolterding 17:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

that's right. i didn't give a fuck for his real name until i saw the wikipedia-atze-article on the german news site heise online.

--deratze 17:16, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I've gotta say that the whole issue reminded me of a quote from "Fight Club" (albeit in slightly modified form): "The people you are after are the people you depend on. We buy your records, we attend your shows, we watch your movies while you sleep. Do NOT fuck with us." 82.10.159.18 21:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Redirect
I think a redirect from Hubertus Albers to this page would be apropriate ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.184.68.198 (talk) 23:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
 * has hubertus-albers.de been grabbed yet? --Mikli 16:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

no valid reason for editing
I don't care very much whether you mention Albers' real name or not because I don't care about him (I had hardly known his name before the most recent affair started) and this guy is getting far too much publicity for his crazy lawsuits anyways. But this explanation for reverting is ridiculous. The sources are valid sources, and it just discredits the user to describe especially the German Patent and Trade Mark Office as "improper or no source". So please either provide us a valid reason for your edit (and you seem to be aware enough of the whole affair to know that there are), else it seems only reasonable to revert. --Ibn Battuta 12:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Real name
Please stop inserting the artist's real name into the article. You might want to have a look at WP:BLP. --B. Wolterding 15:21, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, the real name mentioned here is unsourced and might be incorrect, because the german wikipedia had a different one. The name was deleted from the german wikipedia after a lawsuit, but it can still be read here: --MrBurns (talk) 13:14, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You misunderstood. Thomas is the "birthname" of the fictional character Atze Schröder; Atze is his nickname; that nickname has no definite connection with any particular first name – it means generally "mate". See de:Atze (Name) and de:Atze. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

why is there in that english article his real name, but in the German there isn't?? 77.6.186.240 (talk) 15:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Notable
The article tells us nothing about why we should be interested in the subject, just some vague controversy about the performer's real name. This isn't worth an encyclopedia article, IMO. There are also no secondary sources, just press releases and websites. Steve Dufour 02:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If you speak any German you should have a glance at the :de version of the article. The relevance exists without the slightest doubt.--Nemissimo (talk) 01:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Guys :) the name Hubertus Albers might be incorrect. Some german blogs claim the artists real name to be Thomas Schröder, what makes sense since Hubertus Albers seems to be a fake name; it's not impossible actually, but it sounds like a bad joke. I personally believe the people who claim the name Hubertus Albers to be nothing but rumors, it pretty much seems like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.166.63.5 (talk) 15:57, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thomas Schröder ist the birth name of the fictional Character Atze Schröder. Atze being his nickname. He is called Hubertus Albers. Who is also the one who patented the name "Atze Schröder" in Germany. --95.88.225.48 (talk) 12:55, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Inclusion of real name
There is a longstanding controversy (see edit histrory) whether the real name of the artist should be mentioned in this article.

Brief summary for those who are not familiar with the topic: The subject of the article is a German comedian. The name is a pseudonym; the artist never uses his real name in public, and does not want it to be published, neither on Wikipedia nor in newspapers, etc.

There are actually some legal proceedings around that before German courts; while these are not of much relevance to the English Wikipedia, let me also summarize them since they seem to be at the root of the controversy: The artist sued a German newspaper after they published his real name. The court decided in favor of the artist; this case is now at an appeals court. The artist also litigated against a member of the German section of Wikimedia foundation; there was never a formal agreement, but de facto the real name was removed from German Wikipedia, and the court case was withdrawn.

See also:


 * Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive249
 * Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard

My personal opinion is that we should "do no harm", per WP:BLP, and remove the name. --B. Wolterding 16:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If it can be supported by multiple reliable sources, we should keep it per WP:UNCENSORED. I can't imagine how he could possibly have a legal claim about us, it's just his name! If he sends a nastygram to the WP:OFFICE, they can decide, because they're the ones whose job it is Wikipedia from legal threats. There's no formal BLP issue here - the fact that he would sue over the name shows that it's relevant to his significance and notoriety as a whole. &lt;eleland/talkedits&gt; 22:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

In Germany, it's the law that anyone has the right to not see his name published if he wishes it to be so. An artist who tries to keep his private life from the general public by only appearing under a stage name has the right to do so, and simple curiosity does not entitle anyone to act against him. That's a personality right granted by the german constitution, and Wikipedia would be well advised to honour it. --84.177.150.132 (talk) 10:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The EN Wikipedia is not bound by German law. And even on the German Wikipedia his real name is mentioned: see de:Diskussion:Atze Schröder, de:Diskussion:Atze Schröder/Archiv2, de:Diskussion:Atze Schröder/Archiv1.
 * Note: this has been previously thoroughly discussed, and the current state of this article follows Wikipedia standards. I have reverted your deletion. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:24, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also ths is NOT a right granted by the German constitution. He gave up his right when he started to be an entertainer for the public. Which is why he also has no rights on his own pictures. The information of the masses outweighs his rights--217.236.182.110 (talk) 00:15, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Per the above discussion, the name of the person behind the character "Atze Schröder" seems to be somewhat controversial. So we need reliable sources for that name per WP:BLP and WP:V. Currently the only sources for this in the article are IMDb, a DPMA application and a dead link to an image hosted on a wordpress blog. The biography section of IMDb entries is not considered a reliable source, as it consists of user-generated content. And the DPMA application itself doesn't state that HA is the name of the person behind the character - that seems to be an editor's own conclusion and therefore original research (violating WP:NOR). So there seem to be no reliable, reputable publications stating his real name at the moment. So I removed the name for the time being, until someone can hopefully provide a reliable publciation where the name has been explicitly stated. --Kam Solusar (talk) 21:29, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Real name
Please delete his real name from this article. He's had several lawsuits against this. The German article respects this wish, please do so on the English one as well. 46.114.168.191 (talk) 00:09, 7 January 2022 (UTC) WTF This is Wikipedia i always thaugt that Wikipedia is Thorough, Even if Wikipedia is not binded by German Law we shoud respeckt the Artist wich to stay Anonymus. Plus the Real Name dosen´t seem to be Credited enoug. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:E946:B520:0:0:0:FD56 (talk) 16:34, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

... and one more time: that "real name"... where is the source?!
The owner of the rights to the trademark is not necessarily identical with the natural person of the performer, whose name is Thomas Schröder, according to earlier information from the German Wikipedia before it had to be deleted. What now, smarty-pants?

The registration of rights in the DPMA does not provide any proof of the identity of Atze Schröder's performer. Even I or you could have the name protected as a word mark today. What a load of bollocks! Typical Wikipedias, always spreading half-truths, because every complete idiot who thinks he is superior to others, who in reality are far smarter than he is and have jobs and therefore neither have the time nor the urge to write in Wikipedias in their scarce free time, can spout his cerebral diarrhoea in Wikipedias! Which experts actually check you pseudo- and wannabe-experts, apart from my humble self? My goodness, these wikis have become the scourge of mankind. Claude Eckel, 14:33, 21 March 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.118.213.67 (talk) 14:33, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "Atze Schröder enthüllt die düstere Geschichte seiner Familie", Rolling Stone, 31 March 2022 (in German). HTH. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)