Talk:Audi 100

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Power outputs for Audi 200
I'm given to believe that the power outputs for the original Audi 200 models are: 200 5E: 136 bhp 200 5T: 182 bhp Rather than the 170 bhp currently published. This figure may refer to the torque of the turbocharged model, ie 200 5T: 170 lb ft Reenie 10:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No, 182 PS (not bhp) was for the non-catalyst version, 170 PS was with kat installed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pc13 (talk • contribs) 13:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

The 182 PS was for the non catalyst version of the 200 C3; the 200 C2 had a power output of 170 PS and were not equipped with catalyst systems for European markets (as there was no need for them at the time of model introduction - for example, 3 way-catalysts became mandatory for new cars in Germany from Jan 1st, 1989 after a five year phase of voluntary installation). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.203.158.0 (talk) 00:23, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Popular culture
There should be some mention of the role Audi 5000 played in popular culture in the 80's, before the negative publicity overwhelmed it. The phrase "I'm Audi 5000", for "I'm outta here" was one such example.

Agreed. Exigence 04:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * And after the rep of the 5000 went down the drain, "Audi" became a backronym for Accelerates under demonic influence.

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Info re the Audi V8 centre differential is incorrect
Neither the automatic or the manual versions have a viscous coupling centre differential. The auto has a self-locking epicyclic differential with an electronically controlled multi-plate coupling, with the manual having a Torsen centre differential. Source: Audi V8 instruction manual.

103kW engine for C4?
Do you really think that C4 had 103kW 2.5TDi engine? I think it was only for A6 (C5). C4 had only 85kW engines. Sorry, no sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.161.19.73 (talk) 11:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Headline text
The information about the end of the C4 line is wrong. The A4 did not come about until 1996, not 1994, and it was a replacement of the 90 model. The 80 was discontinued after 1992.

New section
Should the 60 Minutes scandal be in a separate "Controversies" section? The biased reporting by CBS in the mid-1980's really hurt the Audi brand in the US and it took them several years to recover. Swimandrow (talk) 22:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Turbodielsel engine availability in North America for Audi 5000
I am certain the turbodiesel engine was available for that model in the United States, though the article doesn't list it as an engine option in that market. My parents owned a 5000 turbodiesel from approximately 1983 to 1985. The trunk lid badges read "Audi 5000" on the left side of the lid, and a second badge read "turbodiesel", rather than "TDI", on the right. It was purchased new in the mid Atlantic region, probably NY or NJ. 71.136.226.161 (talk) 20:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * In the USA the diesel was a 1986-cc five-cylinder unit (merely just the VW 1588 cc four with one more cylinder). It was naturally aspirated for the years 1979-81, and turbocharged for 1982-83. WikiPro1981X (talk) 04:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

1974 100LS?
The early 70's 100LS's were manufactured in South America. This is not mentioned. Many were defective, having a poor valve guide to stem clearance, causing excessive oil consumption. (2 qts. in 100 miles or so.)Also electrical/transmission problems showed up. These were mostly due, again, to poor Q/C or inferior parts. (My Audi had a broken spring in the valve body assembly; it prevented 2nd gear from engaging. A simply replacement or a washer to prevent the broken halves from nesting is all it took. An intermittent short in auxiliaries--parking lamps, radio, etc--I never found. Probably pinched wire. I used a cycling circuit breaker. Sold the car that way--it still ran, but I was sick of it. Even though it had wood trim and a sun roof.)

This made for a very poor reputation for a while. Easy retrofits, available at any head shop, cured this problem, but was inexcusable for a German auto mfg. owned by the likes of Porsche.68.231.184.217 (talk) 04:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing you say is true. No Audis were build in south america ever. 2qts oil/100mls - sure, buddy. 2nd gear n/a? Well, gringos only can do automatic. en:wp is an anti-german joke. I´m sick of it. 89.204.135.178 (talk) 01:51, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Odd introduction
"The 100s was the first ever model to have side-mounted headlights."

What is that all about? What is a side-mounted headlight, and why had no-one used then before? First Audi model, or first model in the World? And why did this make the origins "legendary"?

86.160.200.2 (talk) 08:47, 25 April 2012 (UTC)Stephen Carter

Rbarnwell413 (talk) 02:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)rbarnwell413 : In regard's to the Audi 100LS, I knew this car as new back in the very early '70s. I had been in local drag racing in my teen's, so when I returned from the Army in 1970, my good friend who was the service mgr. at our local Porsche/Audi dealership offered me a position as a mechanic there. I got to know the NSU's, Super 90's and the dreaded Audi 100LS. What a piece of junk!! First of all.... the inboard disc brake's, please.... really? Almost impossible to service. You never knew if it would actually start, especially if it was below 50 degrees. Going down the road, was like riding a pogo stick... ready to roll and crash at any moment.

Fortunately, I was introduced to a early 911..... I was hooked! I was fortunate enough to go forward from there and be sent to many training school's with Porsche and become a "unit tech", building/rebuilding many, many engine's and trannie's for Porsche from all across North America. That experience took me from 1970 to the early '90's.

I look at Porsche, and Audi today.... and am just amazed!! What a progression of technology..... wish I was still involved today. But I guess there's no use for an old school like me anymore.

Mays as designer
I've rmv'd the edit in C4 Inforbox saying Mays is "the Designer" -- with the notation that "the reference cited does not say that Mays was "the designer;" it says specifically "he worked on the design."

The information saying Mays was "the Designer" was again added to the article with the notation saying "That is irrelevant, as other publicly inaccessible sources credit him for the exterior design in 1988. Provide a source that states he wasn't."

So the editor concedes that there are no notable sources to support that Mays was the designer of the car, and suggests contrary to Wikipedia rules, that it's incumbant upon another editor to prove the information false.

This isn't how Wikipedia works: information must be verifiable and supported by a notable source. 842U (talk) 14:11, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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For the Swiss market, the 100 LS was equipped ... why this was was desired is unknown
Looking at the date, I wonder if i might have had something to do with regulations requiring the fitting of a catalytic convertor. The Swiss (and, I believe, the Swedes) were ahead of the rest of Europe in legislating for reduced emissions & low-lead fuel. Auto-makers and oil companies squealed appropriately. I wonder if someone was trying to make a point with this minimally bored out engine? Pure speculation on my part, but it would be interesting if someone knows more. Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:31, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Correct: Swiss legislation mandated catalytic converters earlier than the EU. Automakers and car enthusiasts were up in arms because the "cats" notably reduced peak engine horsepower. — JFG talk 12:49, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

C2 interior design
It should be noted that the interior of the C2 was not only designed by factory engineers, but also by external interior designers to create a kind of "living room appeal" inside the vehicle. To my knowledge, this was the first time in the development of a car intended for mass production in Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.203.158.0 (talk) 00:08, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

"Secret" development of the C1 - out of "revenge"?
Another very interesting facts are that the C1 was developed against the orders of the parent VW company who didn't saw a market for another car in that segment, especially in the light that the Ro80 and K70 (inheritances from the NSU company) were recently or about to be introduced. More, chief developer Ludwig Kraus was employed at Mercedes Benz, assigned to DKW after the takeover by MB and subsequently "sold" with the company when VW took over, allegedly much to the chagrin of Kraus who initially wanted to stay with MB.

Kraus proved to have an almost visionary insight to the market, as the 100 C1 was ready for serial production at a time when VW's main competitors Ford and Opel introduced new models (Rekord C, Ford P7) and the Audi could even attack MB who had launched the new W114 (200, "/8") which is most notable in the layout of the instrument cluster.

Sources: various issues of German magazines Auto Bild classic and Auto Zeitung classic

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 * If you could point to exact sources (magazine name, issue, date and page number), we could insert something about Kraus in the article. — JFG talk 17:56, 7 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Quite a lot of it's in German wiki already since way back when, but those guys weren't so fixated on sources - back then nor were the anglopones.  I actually translated a couple of those paras for this entry back in 2008, but there weren't the sources included and I'm afraid I didn't take time to google round and find some.   But it shouldn't be so difficult for someone with an online subscription to the magazines you name.   (I do have an online subscription that includes Auto Motor und Sport archives as part of the hard copy magazine subscription ... somewhere, but I don't think I ever really mastered the login protocols!)   Success Charles01 (talk) 19:54, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't have any subscription, but if you find relevant articles, I can help with the quoting and translation from German. — JFG talk 00:22, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

No predecessor
The Sachsenring P240 was not the predecessor to the Audi 100. The P240 was entirely constructed in East Germany, as well as the former Auto Union with its plants located in the Soviet zone were already disposessed in 1948 and transformed into the VEB HORCH Kraftfahrzeug- und Motorenwerke Zwickau and renamed to VEB Sachsenring Kraftfahrzeug- und Motorenwerk Zwickau in 1957.

The Audi 100 was constructed and designed in Ingolstadt under Ludwig Kraus who was a former employee of Mercedes Benz, probably basing on studies for a "Baby Benz" below the W 114 which never came to fruition.

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