Talk:Audi 80

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All images in this article were on speedy delete list so removed. Please use free pictures in future. Justinc 23:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I removed an add-on to the S2/RS2 section; this is an encyclopedia, not a free bulletin board for ads.

Motorsport
I think a small section on the end of the article should be designated for the Audio 80/90 and its participation/usage in Motorsport. It was a notable entrant in the ISMA GT Championship for a few years as a Space-framed chasis. Considering it was beating GT cars such as the Ferrari F40 it was quite successful as a race-car. Although, it would be quite hard to find any references on its various exploits in and around the racing world.

Variety of English
I hesitate to bring up this thorny issue... but the present article has got a mixture of US English (sedan, station wagon, liter) and British English (coupé, with the e acute, and also "petrol tank" rather than "gas tank"). The British version seems justified because of the e acute being part of the actual model name, so far as I can see.

The Manual of Style says we should never have a mixture. But there are two conflicting cases about what to do: one suggests to go with the variety of English used in the home country of the product, and we get into the thing of Germany not having its own variety, but being part of Europe where the only official variety of English is British (not considering differences for Scots and Irish...); therefore British English should be used. But the other consideration in the Manual of Style is not to make mass changes of English variety for their own sake. On that basis it would also be a bad thing to change the page. My personal view is that the need for consistency over-rides this.

So on balance I'm minded to bring consistency to the article by switching to British English and changing sedan to saloon. Will this hugely offend anyone? – Kieran T  (' talk ') 13:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Recommend "fuel tank" in cases where the type of fuel is not important. —überRegenbogen 08:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Panhard rod?
The geometry of the stabilizing strut (citing physical observation of mid-1970s Audi Foxes and VW Dashers) is significantly different from the illustrations and description in the Panhard rod article. Notably, rather than connecting to the body and cross-beam with ball joints, it is welded to the cross-beam and to the body-end of one of the trailing arms—forming a solid a-frame with them (and eliminating the arc motion that is specifically cited as a disadvantage of a Panhard rod).

The question—or questions—then are: —überRegenbogen 09:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Does this difference in design make it not a Panhard rod design? or:
 * Is the Panhard rod article too specific in its description?
 * I don't know, but by the 80s the rod was articulated at both ends (with rubber bushings). You can see it quite well in this picture which is a 1982 Coupe unit. Huw Powell (talk) 03:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Model 80 with Inline 5 cylinder Engine
It suggests in this article that the 2.3L I5 was not offered in the 1991 (80), but I owned a 1991 US model 80 with that particular setup. It was a front wheel drive, 2.3L I5, with a 5-speed manual transmission. It still had the B3 body style, so i don't think that it was an early B4.

Does anyone have any insight about this?

Magnacurt 23:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)magnacurt


 * In the US/Canada, 1991 models were B3 and differentiated between Audi 80 (base trim, MSRP $21,000) and Audi 90 (upscale trim, MSRP $26,000). These were only available with five-cylinder engines (10V and 20V)
 * The B4 models and the change to them all being called "90" in the US happened with the 1992 models which were introduced in late 1991. The five-cylinder engines were dropped in favor of the 2.8 V6 at this time as well.
 * In all other markets except North America, the five-cylinder variants were exclusively marketed as "90" from 1984 (MY1985) until the B4 came along for MY1992 - then, the 90 name was dropped and all variants were sold as "80".
 * To this day, it remains a mystery why Audi chose to do this renaming shuffle. Bhomburg (talk) 15:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Picture
I added my picture of the 93 90S back, since someone removed it when the put up the picture of the white cabriolet.

Power
Can somebody check the power outputs of the various engines? This change by an anon from 110bhp to 101bhp, for a 1.6 engine which is in both cases more powerful than the 2.0 makes me suspicious that we may have subtle vandalism creeping in. When figures change without a reference or an edit summary it's always tempting to just revert, but it's often not obvious that the initial figure has any more authority &mdash; without going back to find who first added it, which is obviously very time consuming. Incidentally, no offence to this particular anon. If you're making valid changes, however, would you please start to use edit summaries to explain them, or source your information with references? Ta. :) – Kieran T  (' talk ') 09:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The 1.6 E used the new crossflow engine with MPI that had 101 PS (74 kW). It was more popular in Southern Europe where engine displacement was taxed. The 90 PS (66 kW) 2.0 was available in Germany to have an 80 in a lower insurance bracket (insurance is payed according to horsepower). A 1993 or 1994 Automobile Revue Katalog will confirm those horsepower values. --Pc13 10:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that info. Nice to know the edit was genuine. – Kieran T  (' talk ') 10:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

B1 had auto tranny
When I was a kid we had a 1975 Audi Fox station wagon with automatic transmission. This was in Texas. Unfortunately I don't know any more about it (# of speeds). --ScottJ 22:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Scott, the early 80/Fox was available with a four-speed manual or a three-speed automatic only. --328cia (talk) 13:38, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Removed
this sentence:

The Audi 80 sold well in Germany, however the Netherlands and Denmark were its two biggest selling markets.

It simply cannot be that Audi sold more 80s on comparatively small markets (totalling about 300.000 cars per year each) than on its home market (2.5 million cars per year).

Also, I removed the hint concerning mainland European cars with the US-style quad headlamps. These were at no time used by the factory in Europe (except on the pre-facelift Coupé and Ur-Quattro, where they were standard, and on the first-gen Audi 200).

--328cia (talk) 13:38, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I finally found a source with some figures to back up my claim made above:


 * All Audi models sold, Denmark 1983/1984:     758/638
 * All Audi models sold Netherlands 83/84:   38.059/42.286 (Volkswagen included!)
 * Audi 80 sold in Germany 83/84:            77.654/71.306
 * --328cia (talk) 00:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Model years Vs Years of production?
I know for a fact that there are 1987 B2 audi 80/90s in europe, AKA Audi 4000, but also Model year 1987 B3's in Europe, along with 1992 B3's. Are we going with Model years or production years for year designations? Pastorboy0 (talk) 02:18, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Model years are for American cars only. We go with production years for all other cars. --Pc13 (talk) 18:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Audi Coupé/Cabriolet B3
The Audi Coupé "B3" and Cabriolet (typ 89, more correctly 8B and 8G) definitely deserve their own article. As it stands, they are a very awkward fit on the Audi 80 page as they are a mishmash of B3 and B4 parts, and have entirely different development histories. I suggest a page titled Audi Coupé/Cabriolet for these cars. Additionally, the Audi Cabriolet is referred to as a B4, which is not correct. The Cabriolet is based on the typ 89 Coupé (nicknamed B3), it just happened to appear around the same time as the introduction of the "B4" Audi 80. Also, such a change would allow us to place the Audi S2 Coupé in its correct place rather than (perversely) as a subsection to the B4.  ⊂&#124; Mr.choppers &#124;⊃  (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Didn't Giugiaro design the B1 as well?
Didn't Giugiaro design the B1 as well? He is not credited in this article or on his page, but he did design the very similar sister model, the VW Passat B1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason404 (talk • contribs) 04:57, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Every place I look credits him for the B2 but not the B1, including GG's own Facebook page (assuming it's real).  ⊂&#124; Mr.choppers &#124;⊃   (talk) 06:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Audi S2
Look at the "Audi S2" part. It used a 2.2L engine. The power output of the new engine that launched in 1992 is increased from 220 PS to 230 PS. But, why the acceleration time become worse, from 5.7s in old engine to 5.9s in new engine? This is odd.RaymondSutanto (talk) 09:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably more safety equipment, bumpers and side impact stuff. Either that, or they didn't cheat the second time around. Are the times both to 100km/h?  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  17:29, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

B3 in Greece
Audi 80 B3 never sold in Greece with a 1.4 lit. engine as mentioned. It came straight with the 1.6/75 ps engine as the base option. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.128.194 (talk) 15:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

1.8 engine option in the B4 section
I'm not an expert when it comes to the Audi 80, but it seems like the "1.8 E 20v – 92 kW (125 PS; 123 bhp), in-line four-cylinder" listed in the B4 section is actually an engine for the B3. I was browsing an old Motorweek Rivals section and came across a 1987 Audi 80 Quattro with this 125 hp 1.8 engine. I would change the article but I don't know for sure if i'm correct, or the exact engine details/what model it came in. TKOIII (talk) 21:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No, the 1.8 20V was a later engine. Those Motor rivals sections seem a bit sloppy imho. The most powerful 1.8 I know of in the B3 was the 1.8E with 112 hp (metric); I have cross referenced numerous period sources as well as the German and Italian WPs. As a matter of fact, the 1.8 20V only appeared in the 1994 Audi A4 as far as I know and was never installed in the B4 either. See more here.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  13:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 125PS 1.8 was added by an IP back in 2009; they also added a fake BLS-V model here - so I will delete this. The Audi Cabriolet, an offshoot of the B4, was indeed fitted with the 1.8 20V 125PS engine, but that model has been split off onto another page so it no longer belongs here.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  13:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)