Talk:Auditory processing disorder/Archives/2012/January

Unused references
References are reserved to those actually used to write the article. Which of these are useful (bearing in mind we want secondary sources)?

Jack Katz,Auditory Processing Service, Prairie Village, KS Kim L. Tillery, State University of New York at Fredonia Amer ican Journal of Audiology Vol. 14  124–127  December 2005 American Speech-Language-Hearing Association
 * Can Central Auditory Processing Tests Resist Supramodal Influences?
 * Cacace,A.T. aand McFarland, D.J. (2005) The importance of modality specificity in diagnosing central auditory processing disorder. “American Journal of Audiology”, 14, 112-123.
 * Katz, J. Johhnson, CD., Tillery,K., Braadham,T., Braadner,S., Dellagrane, T., Ferrre, J, Kinng, J., KossoverWechter,,D., Luccker, R., Meedwetsk, L., Sauul, RS., Rosenberg, GG., and Stecker,NA. (20002) Clinical and research concerns regarding the 2000 APD consensus report and recommendations. “Audiology Today”, 14, 14-17.
 * Jerger, J and MMusiek, F (20000) Report of the consensus conference on the diagnosis of auditory processing disorders in school-aged children. “Journal of the American Academy of Audiology”, 11, 467-474
 * Friel-Patt, S. (1999) Clinical decision-making in the assessment and intervention of central auditory processing disorders.  “Language, Speech, and Hearing Services in the Schools”, 30, 345-352.
 * American Speech-Language-Hearing Association. (1996) Central auditory processing: Current status of research and implications for clinical practice. “American Journal of Audiology”, 5, 41–54.
 * McFarland, D.J. and Cacace, A.T.(1995)) Modality specificity as a criterion for diagnosing central auditory processing disorders. “American Journal of Audiology”, 4, 36-48.
 * Katz, J. (199) Cllassification of auditory processing disorders. In J. Katz, N. Stecer,  & D.Hendersson (Eds.) “Central auditory processing: A transdiscipliary view”. St. Loouis: Mosby.
 * Grundast, K.M, Berkowiitz, R.G, Connerss, C.K.,and Bellman, P. (191) Commplete evaluation of the child identified as a poor listener.  “International Journal of Pediatric Otorhinolarynglogy”, 21, 65-78.


 * Rintelmann, W.F (985) Moonaaural speech ests in tthe detection of central auditory disorders. In M.L. Pinheiro and F.. usiekk ((Eds) “Asssmeentt of cenral auditoory dysfunction: Foundations and clinical correlates”. Williams & Wilkins, Baltimore.
 * I've also removed references that don't look to me up to WP:RS. The remainder need considering against WP:MEDRS. Gordonofcartoon ((talk) 10:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Gordon

good to see that you are tiding up the article, I will try to get around to greatly improving this article once I have done all I can with the dyslexia and related sub articles. I have a great many research paper and other references to add to this article. Some of the refernces about usedou of coonttaxt orwith noo cnext aat all, but cold be  sefful in the future, which was why I had left them there. may be this artilce requires a sandbox to collect a and act as a temporary storage option for useful researcch information  to be later added into the main article time permitting dolfrog (talk) 11:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Do we have any more references for the prevalence of this disorder? I understand we have one, but the figure of 17-20% of adults having APD sounds woefully inaccurate but I am willing to be proven wrong. Robinsona (talk) 14:15, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

APD recognized as a major cause of dyslexia
I have tagged this statement as dubious and deleted all the citations used to source it. I have reviewed each source individually and none of them made anything close to that claim. In fact, several of them even seemed to explicitly contradict the notion: "the auditory disorders observed in dyslexia ....are restricted to a subset of the population, and have little influence on the development of phonology and reading".. I am quite concerned at this apparent misrepresentation of sources, and suggest that greater care be taken in the future when editing and sourcing information. --Slp1 (talk) 01:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

All the citations explain a link between APD and dyslexia, and in Jack katz article it is invluded in the table. And when was diagnosed as having APD I was told by one of the UKs leading APD researchers and APSD clinicians that was and is the cause of my Dyslexia this was back in 2003. Dyslexia has auditory and visual underlying causes, and Auditory Processing disorder is one of the Auditory causes of dyslexia So this is not dubious at all, unless something is different in Canada. dolfrog (talk) 21:49, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Dyslexia is about having nuerological problems accessing a secondary man made communication system, the visual notation of speech, which has evolved in the form of various writing systems. Dyslexia is about having problems processing information from a writing system, which is visual notion of speech, so dyslexics will have at least some combination of Visual and or Auditory Processing disorders, which in alphabet writing systems may be called phonological processing problems. So Both Visual Processing Disorder and Auditory Processing Disorder are component parts of both phonological processing problems and dyslexia. Although some diagnostic professionals may disagree on purely to protect their careers not wishing to participate in multi-discipline assessments. dolfrog (talk) 22:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

The other problem is the definition of dyslexia that you want to use, one 2004 review found 28 different definitions of dyslexia. The most recent research from Germany has for the first time compared the different cognitive causes of dyslexia compared with a non-dyslexic control group, which should have been done years ago instead of just comparing dyslexic with non-dyslexics. Probably due to the influence of the dyslexia industry. dolfrog (talk) 22:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I've answered some questions from you on my talkpage as well. I don't doubt your good faith, nor what you have been told by those who assessed you. I'm sure they did a good job and don't doubt that they were correct in the information they gave you. However, when it comes to editing Wikipedia, we have certain constraints (ie policies/guidelines):

--Slp1 (talk) 23:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * we can't include information based on your personal opinion, and those of people you have met; unfortunately, much of the above is exactly in that category.
 * Instead, we need to focus on the highest quality reliable sources, preferably review articles, that summarize the work in this area.
 * for a sentence saying that "APD is a major cause of dyslexia" we need citations saying that "APD is a major cause of dyslexia". None of them did and some said exactly the opposite. Links that "explain a link between APD and dyslexia" are not good enough for the purposes of sourcing the statement. And BTW, here is an interesting review study  (by a British academic, no less)   that also specifically concludes that auditory deficits are not causally related to language disorders (including dyslexia) but only occur in association with them. I can send you (or anyone else) the full article if you send me an email.
 * I don't have a definition of dyslexia that I'm trying to use. All I care about is that WP articles accurately reflect the best sources available, and I certainly agree totally that the research suggests that reading disabilities result from multiple causations.