Talk:Auspicious Incident

Proposed merge
This article does not need to be merged with Janissary. It is in terrible shape at the moment but could be expanded and linked to the main article. In addition to Jason Goodwin's book Lords of the Horizons already cited, Godfrey Goodwin's The Janissaries (1994) has a chapter called "The Auspicious Event" (pp. 214-228). Aramgar (talk) 02:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Constantinople
Didn't Constantinople's name change to Istanbul as soon as it was Ottoman held, and wouldn't that be the appropriate name for it? It seems relevant since the two articles --illumi (talk) 05:17, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, if you read the article on Constantinople you will see the progression by which the name was altered over the centuries. -- JacquesDelaguerre (talk) 15:29, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Biased Writing
This article is in poor shape. In particular, the third paragraph seems to take an unnecessarily anti-Janissary tone rather than an explanatory tone; it also does not have any citations.

Can anyone verify the information in the third paragraph? If not, it should be deleted or at least rephrased.

Also, is the topic of the third paragraph as it currently stands relevant to this article as a whole? I don't see that it is intensely relevant to The Auspicious Incident.

Third Paragraph: "By the early 17th century, the Janissary corps had ceased to function as an elite military unit. Many Janissaries were not soldiers and simply extorted money from the Turkish state and dictated its government, adding to the steady decline of the Ottoman Empire [citation needed]. Any sultan who attempted to modernize the Ottoman military structure and replace the Janissaries was either immediately killed or deposed.[citation needed]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.15.127.230 (talk) 14:37, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

The claim in the the 3rd paragraph is incorrect. See Rhoads Murphey book "Ottoman Warfare 1500-1700" (192.114.148.35 (talk) 04:00, 10 April 2011 (UTC))


 * The paragraph provides background context. Please remember that not all leaders will be expert scholars; thus, a sketch of the circumstances &amp; situation leading up to the event will help the non-expert reader. Personally, I found that paragraph hugely enlightening! linas (talk) 13:55, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Try 'hugely inaccurate'. No credible sources are given for this obviously biased claim. There is just a link to something written on a website. This article reads like an opinion piece from the third paragraph onwards.--Zubedar (talk) 23:08, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * This is still a horribly biased and blatantly anti-Janissary piece in 2019. Reference to the work of Edhem Eldem would be helpful. Cerberus (talk) 20:50, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

"sacred standard of the Prophet"
I found this topic interesting, and the phrase "sacred standard of the Prophet" in the Mutiny section caught my eye, but there's no description of what this artifact is/was and how it relates to Ottoman/Turkish culture. Any editors more knowledgable able to expand on this or link to an article that explains this? 73.94.104.155 (talk) 21:42, 10 August 2018 (UTC)