Talk:Austin Thornton

Destroying Woe, Is Me
He's a control freak. He thought he could control the band, but Tyler Carter showed him who's boss. Then one day after Tyler's departure Micheal Bohn,Cory and Ben Ferris showed him he isn't so cool after all, Then the four of them go together and started a new better band. Oh yeah Kevin is still in the band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.61.218 (talk) 03:06, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Non Notable
It is my assumption that we attempt to remove non notable works here at Wikipedia. I would vote we either delete this article or reroute it to woe, is me. Luna Bars 4 Lyfe (talk) 15:08, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Does not pass Music Bio Criteria
Criteria for musicians and ensembles

A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria: Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.[note 1] This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries[note 2] except for the following: Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves, and all advertising that mentions the musician or ensemble, including manufacturers' advertising.[note 3] Works comprising merely trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories. Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar) would generally be considered trivial but should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country. Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.[note 4] Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable). Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award. Has won or placed in a major music competition. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E for further clarifications) Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article.

Though he may fall under this criteria, it will need to be proven via several third party sources. Not just three websites including Myspace. Those aren't even news sources?? Luna Bars 4 Lyfe (talk) 15:16, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for taking this to the Talk page, and thank you for agreeing that he does meet WP:MUSBIO. I agree that the article references aren't good enough.  However, review the Wikipedia policy WP:PRESERVE.  The action we should take here is to provide improved references, or tag the poor ones.  We shouldn't be wiping out the article.  If we really can't find good references, we should take the article to AFD and get a wider audience looking at it instead of blanking it.   15:24, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds good! I'll try and find some more credible sources for this article. Luna Bars 4 Lyfe (talk) 15:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Great... I'm searching a bit and honestly I'm beginning to think you're right. I can't find anything that meets WP:RS good enough for a bio.  Fan-sites, blogs and myspace.  The 2 personal claims about Thornton in this article are unsourced.  I'm going through the references in each of the 2 articles of his band and will see if they say anything.  If not, then I agree with your original action--redirect.    15:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Luna I'm just about convinced now your original action of a redirect was the correct one. There's nothing reliably sourced in this article worth preserving in a biography about the individual.  I'll keep an eye on this discussion for a little while longer and see if you or anyone else finds anything different.  Thanks for assuming good faith about my desire to just spend a few more minutes looking into this before turning this long-standing article into a redirect.  If there's nothing else to add I'll self-revert in a little bit.    15:45, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I did some research as well and could not find sources credible enough to support this articles claims. Thanks for working with me on this since it is my first actual edit! :) Luna Bars 4 Lyfe (talk) 13:50, 3 July 2012 (UTC)