Talk:Australian Drivers' Championship

Stillwell's car(s). Is it a Brabham-Repco or a Brabham-Climax? If there were Brabham-Climaxes, then why is Repco there? If it's a sponsor, then do we need to look up sponsors for all cars, or just the ones Repco were involved with? The parralel to draw is the recent Jaguar F1 team. The team wanted the engines to be referred to as Jaguars, but everyone else called them Cosworths as they were the same as engines being used by other teams. Similarly the Repco-Brabham phrase, it's comparable to the recent BMW-Williams F1 team. While they are referred to in entry lists as BMW-Williams, when broken down into the convention of Chassis-Engine they became Williams BMW. Are we to have one rule for some and not for others? Reason I ask is the list of cars used by the Gold Star champions I have looks like this, 1957	Davison, Lex	Ferrari 500 1958	Jones, Stan	Maserati 250F 1959	Lukey, Len	Cooper T45 Climax 1960	Mildren, Alec	Cooper T51 Maserati 1961	Patterson, Bill	Cooper T51 Climax 1962	Stillwell, Bib	Cooper T55 Climax 1963	Stillwell, Bib	Brabham BT4 Climax 1964	Stillwell, Bib	Brabham BT4 Climax 1965	Stillwell, Bib	Brabham BT11a Climax 1966	Martin, Spencer	Brabham BT11a Climax 1967	Martin, Spencer	Brabham BT11a Climax 1968	Bartlett, Kevin	Brabham BT23D Alfa Romeo 1969	Bartlett, Kevin	Mildren Alfa Romeo 1970	Geoghegan, Leo	Lotus 59B Waggott 1971	Stewart, Max	Mildren-Waggott 1972	Matich, Frank	Matich A50 Repco 1973	McCormack, John	Elfin MR5 Repco 1974	Stewart, Max	Lola T330 Chevrolet 1975	McCormack, John	Elfin MR6 Repco 1976	Leffler, John	Lola T400 Chevrolet 1977	McCormack, John	McLaren M23 Leyland 1978	McRae, Graham	McRae GM3 Chevrolet 1979	Walker, John	Lola T332 Chevrolet 1980	Costanzo, Alfredo	Lola T430 Chevrolet 1981	Costanzo, Alfredo	McLaren M26 Chevrolet 1982	Costanzo, Alfredo	Tiga FA81 Ford 1983	Costanzo, Alfredo	Tiga FA81 Ford 1984	Bowe, John	Ralt RT4 Ford 1985	Bowe, John	Ralt RT4 Ford 1986	Watson, Graham	Ralt RT4 Ford 1987	Brabham, David	Ralt RT30 VW 1988	Onslow, Rohan	Cheetah Mk.8 VW 1989	Onslow, Rohan	Ralt RT20 Holden 1990	Kane, Simon	Ralt RT21 Holden 1991	Skaife, Mark	Spa FB003 Holden 1992	Skaife, Mark	Spa FB003 Holden 1993	Skaife, Mark	Lola T91/50 Holden 1994	Stokell, Paul	Reynard 91D Holden 1995	Stokell, Paul	Reynard 91D Holden 1996	Stokell, Paul	Reynard 91D Holden 1997	Bright, Jason	Reynard 91D Holden 1998	Dixon, Scott	Reynard 92D Holden 1999	Wills, Simon	Reynard 94D Holden 2000	Wills, Simon	Reynard 94D Holden 2001	Kelly, Rick	Reynard 94D Holden 2002	Power, Will	Reynard 94D Holden 2003	Gaunt, Daniel	Reynard 96D Holden 2004	McFadyen, Neil	Reynard 95D Holden 2005	Caratti, Aaron	Dallara F304 Renault 2006	Clucas, Ben	Dallara F304 Opel Bearing in min that wikipedia is intended to be a global resource, and that any local conventions would need to be explained, should wikipedia obey convention, or the whims of financial arrangements Wikipedia was not involved in? --Falcadore 07:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I used data published in www.camsmanual.com.au and www.formula3.com.au fo rmy listing. I knew that there was information missing from these but I was driven by the Wikipedia requirement to quote verifiable sources, so I considered it better to use what I could find rather than add facts (eg engine manufacturer) which I could remember but not easily quote sources for. Having said that I think your list is 300% better than the published lists that I used for the article. If the changes can be verified, lets improve the list.
 * The reason why Brabhams were referred to as Repco-Brabhams in Australia in the mid sixties was due to a marketing arrangement that Repco and Brabham had in this country. Hence these early models were known as Repco-Brabham Climaxes, Repco-Brabham Fords etc. Not really sponsorship in my opinion. Unfortunately I don't think I have any verification for this. Just a vivid memory of having read it in a Brabham history book some years ago. I certainly agree with your view on Chassis / Engine as the rule for formula car descriptions, unfortunately sometimes constructors don't want to follow our rules. Cheers, GTHO 09:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sources for this include the Chevron 50 race Australian GP book, a couple of Tasman Series websies, which by co-incidence are also listed as sources for the Tasman Series article, with some data coming from an F5000 site... --Falcadore 10:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

1969-71
I note there those series are listed as AF2 series. Weren't they Formula 5000 series that just happened to be won by a AF2? If mutiple classes ran in the series it should say. Similarly weren't Formula 1 eligible for at least 1980 ADC? --Falcadore (talk) 07:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have amended the table with the relevant CAMS formulae names. This does not provide an explanation of the year by year components of these formulae but I believe that would be better addressed within specific articles for “Australian National Formula”, “Australian Formula 1” etc rather than on the ADC page.  GTHO (talk) 02:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)