Talk:Australian Fellowship of Evangelical Students

Merge Campus Bible Study here
Appears to be part of AFES Paul foord 07:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose - the AFES is the umbrella body of CBS. (JROBBO 03:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC))
 * Oppose - CBS is not even part of AFES. The AFES group at UNSW is Christian Union. CBS is run out of the Anglican chaplaincy, CU is run by students under CASOC. Journeyman 14:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

If it is not even a part of AFES, it would seem to me to be just a university club or society, and thus, not sufficiently notable to warrant its own article. Judging by the current CBS article, it would appear to be present at only one university, UNSW. I'd like to list that article (Campus Bible Study) for deletion, unless experts can supply some evidence of notability? --Sumple (Talk) 03:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Whoah! hold your horses there. CBS is highly notable. As the article states it has been the starting point for a number of different innovations in student ministry. The Ministry Training Strategy began with 1 or 2 people at UNSW and has now spread around the world. MTS has been responsible for many, many people deciding to go into full-time Christrinan ministry. Matthias Media which has distributors in the UK, USA and South Africa grew out of Phillip Jensen's work with CBS and St Matthias. Much of the early material published by MattMedia was developed for &/or tested on the campus by CBS members. Many former members of CBS are now serving as missionaries and clergy across the globe. CBS is one of the largest evangelical student groups in Australia. I would venture that you can't tell the story of campus ministry in Australia without articles on CBS, SUEU, etc. Journeyman 05:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you can add the international connections into the article? From my (lay) point of view, the CBS and other related articles need a little bit more explanation to make things clearer for people not familiar with the evangelical context. For example, the MTS article (albeit a stub) contains basically just one promotional quote, which really doesn't tell much of how important or influential it may be. It's a bit like if the Woolworths Limited article just said
 * "Woolworths Limited is a public company in Australia. From its website: "Woolworths - the Fresh Food People"" --Sumple (Talk) 06:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I haven't been to the MTS page for a very long time. Not much has changed. Journeyman 06:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to call this debate closed with the outcome of no merge. Journeyman 00:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Related Pages???
Campus Crusade for Christ runs Student Life (university ministry) in Australia, which is not affiliated to AFES. Universities and Colleges Christian Fellowship is in the UK. The 1st is related, but a link to Student Life would be better. The second is only related through the International Fellowship of Evangelical Students, which actually deserves to be on that list. Matt73 12:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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Important but unreferenced information
This is a cut and paste from the page Ichthys. It is part of the history of the AFES of which, I presume, most current members are unaware. The student who was responsible for the reintroduction of the Ichthus symbol was John Diesendorf, who studied at Sydney, then Queensland, went with the mission to the Aquarius Festival, and then went back o Sydney to International House.

Can anybody provide references for the Fish Mission, or the Aquarius Festival mission?

Amandajm (talk) 03:02, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The Fish Mission
The 20th-century popular revival of the ichthys symbol dates from 1965. At this time the Evangelical Union at Sydney University, a branch of the Australian Fellowship of Evangelical Students, confronted by the disenchantment of students brought on by the Vietnam War and a perceived anti-Christian sentiment within the university, held a mission to students. The committee in charge of the promotions of the activity looked for a symbol which was distinctly Christian and which might excite curiosity by its apparent novelty and decided upon this ancient sign, which was drawn simply with two arcs, and no inscription.

Traditionally, up-coming events at the university were advertised in chalk on the bitumen paths. The campaign for the Fish Mission began by drawing the ichthys symbol on pavements all around the university. Silk-screen prints in bright colors on a white background were stuck with flour glue to the rises of walkway stairs throughout the campus. The unexplained early campaign provoked much speculation and interest. Querulous cartoons appeared in the student newspaper Honi Soit. As the advertising campaign progressed, more information was revealed.

Following the success of the Fish Mission publicity campaign, the Australian Fellowship of Evangelical Students used the symbol more widely on campuses around Australia. From Christian Unions of students it quickly spread to the churches.

Bumper sticker
Members of the University of Queensland Evangelical Union used the ichthys symbol when they formed a temporary Christian commune to be a witnessing presence at the Aquarius Rock Festival at Nimbin in May, 1973. From this time the display of the ichthys symbol, sometimes in combination with an Aquarius Festival sticker in the rear window of Kombi vans became common. The car bumper sticker followed quickly.

The symbol was rapidly adopted for use by other Christian bodies within Australia such as the Church Mission Society from whose shop near St. Andrew's Cathedral, Sydney could be purchased small items of jewelry with the ichthys motif. From Sydney the use of the motif was taken to Asia by university students who had been resident at International House which had close ties with the A.F.E.S.. The ichthys symbol was soon in use among Christians across the world.

Numerous parody bumper stickers and badges have also appeared (see below).

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