Talk:Australian Standard Garratt

Nomenclature
They have never been known in the available literature as AGS! SatuSuro 07:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree should've been ASG - it was my typpooo, and yep I'm in the middle of trying to get it fixed. Just an observation the bit about building them cheap etc should not be in the article. What do you reckon? Tonyob 07:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC) WP Verifiability is the issue - if you have a ref - do it. The ms, and msa didnt last in wa because of poorly made boilers - s o.... SatuSuro 07:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)--Michael Johnson 11:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

SatuSuro, The only reference I've got to the M Ms & Msa WAGR garratts is Oberg p. 156. He states these were the first Garratts designed and constructed entirely in Oz; entered service 1930, 10 in the class, early engines classed M-class and the superheated versions became Ms-class. Msa were modified Ms-class with an extra 2,000lbs traction. However, nothing about poor boilers or shoddy work. Though the M and Ms classes were written off 1947-55, the last engine an Msa survived until 1963. So I don't think the Ms can be included in the ASG section - but another add-in (sub-section)to the Garratt article can mention the WAGR M-class as the Aussie first design &manufacture of Garratts. What d' y' reckon? Tonyob 07:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

No because the M and Ms classes were built by B=P in Britain. They are already mentioned in the Garratt article. If you want to start an article on these classes, go ahead. But while the Msa class may be important to the history of Australian railways, they were not particuarly significant as far as garratts in general were concerned. --Michael Johnson 10:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

OK I think all this should be on the Msa stub talk page! There notability was being able to work branch lines that other locos couldnt! Good example of an article specifically for the new WikiProject Western Australia prject - I have been thinking of Garratts in WA  as the royal commisison and strikes and things might be good! - if I can find enough ! - at this point I think I'll revert to personal talk pages as all this is off topic of this talk page! SatuSuro 10:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * A page on the M, Ms, and Msa classes combined would work. Not sure where you would get info though. Durrant does not have much to say. --Michael Johnson 11:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

SAR 300
Added material re the 300/ASG in SAR service. Be wary of sources t00 - just becuase it is in a book does not mean it is fact Sulzer55 (talk) 10:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Loco Fleet
Collapsed, it's a long list. Can all the linked names be dropped and shortened ? QR, TGR, WAGR ...

And can we go G01 instead of G1 so it sorts properly ? --Dave Rave (talk) 23:29, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Anyone have lists for fleet numbers like the 300 list shows for SA and WA ? --Dave Rave (talk) 09:15, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Garrett Locomotives Of The World by A&E. Durrant (David & Charles c1981) is an excellent book to buy if you can still do so.
Superb Book 2A00:23C5:CC81:DB01:2D4E:A4F2:EC49:65AC (talk) 16:39, 4 March 2023 (UTC)