Talk:Australian Survivor: Titans V Rebels

MOS:COLOR and MOS:ACCESS
Hello. I’d like to address an issue concerning the tables displayed in the page. I understand that there needs to be a consensus among editors, but there already was one according to the RfC in 2021: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Television/Archive_12, which is being followed by the Survivor task force—i.e., all English Wikipedia articles for Survivor should follow formats that comply with MOS:ACCESS and MOS:COLOR. In there, it is said that, because of accessibility issues, colors cannot be the only source of information (as displayed in the "Season summary" and "Voting history" tables).

— Freddy7GL (talk) 21:30, 30 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, I'd like to add on to Freddy7GL's comment that besides the fact that although it was said that because of "accessibility issues, colours cannot be the only source of information", many Wikipedians have found that the changes made to what Freedy7GL and two other users have been implementing into various articles including ones such as this, have made it harder for readers to distinguish which team won, lost and which contestant voted for whom as shown in the "Season summary" and "Voting history" sections that Freddy mentioned when suggesting changes that should be made. Even with the concerns that was mentioned in Freddy's statement, colours weren't the only source of information being provided. Even after a consensus was made to show the team colour that voted/lost in the "Voting history" section, which was able to still show the colours for the contestants on when they voted, and which team colour they were on when the vote was cast. That has been taken down which now shows no colour in the voting section that leaves readers having to navigate and use an X-Y axis now to discover who lost and who voted for whom with the lack of colour to help give them quick information. Even the "Contestants" section has made it longer, sometimes even confusing to edit but also to read. Whereas how it is now (in this article which was/still is the standard) makes the section easier to read, a quick glimpse gives you all the information you need without looking at almost every corner of your PC or mobile.
 * I disagree with Freddy7GL and the two other users implementing the changes due to Talk sections such as this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Cook_Islands#Why_the_changes? (the "?" isn't registering, scroll down two-three times and you'll see the section mentioned) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television/Survivor_task_force#MOS_fixes_for_tables which has shown that it makes the articles even harder to navigate and understand and even making it confusing to read, which ironically doesn't make it MOS:ACCESS for many readers on PC and mobile with the new changes being implemented.
 * The Survivor task force that Freddy mentioned is following the RfC is doing so primarily because of the three users I've mentioned and stated, which has led to numerous controversies within the Wikipedian community to the point where it is best as shown from the links to the talks pages I've provided. WP:CON has been evaporated when this was discussed and even finding a compromise for the most part and it's still causing issues to the site to this day. In some cases editors may have to WP:BOLD which should be avoided but at times has to be done in order to make it easier to read, navigate, comprehend and even edit to make this site and it's content legible to readers.

— Nintenga (talk) 00:51, 2 February 2024 (UTC)