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Sound unlimited
Surely Sound Unlimited deserve a mention here? They had an album release and a couple of hit singles back in the early 1990's. --Robert Merkel 02:13, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Well just add it they do deserve a mention.

"The biggest hip hop group in Australia is the Hilltop Hoods" - the term "biggest" seems a little vauge, I'm suggesting "commercially successful". Just seems clearer. And the sentence needed a slight cleanup to make it flow better. --Original Digga

What do you mean they aren't the biggest, we all know they are the most successful so therefore they are the biggest so there! Reddevilbatcave 08:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Pardon my ignorace but who are Natural Causes? The group that the writer belongs to? If you're going to mention random up-n-coming artists, surely there'd be some more deserving that they are? Engorge W 23:31, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Contradiction: The sentence "The most commercially successful hip hop group in Australia is the Hilltop Hoods. They have reached Gold status for their album "The Calling" - a feat that no other Australian hip hop group has achieved. " is then contradicted by the sentence "This success was mirrored by 1200 Techniques, who achieved gold status with their debut album Choose One". Manning 06:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I just fixed it. When I did the edit, the line about 1200 Techniques was for some reason at the end of the article, so I just moved it to the right spot. I presume at the time the HH line was written it was true, so I've now just changed it to saying that they were the first, instead of the only. pfctdayelise 01:45, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Can someone be bothered so as to put in other people worth mentioning such as Bliss N Eso, Hyjak N Torcha, Art Of War, Downsyde, Drapht, Lyrical Commission etc? Its nice to have Hilltop Hoods mentioned and all but theres alot more to Australian Hip Hop than just that. And when I mean mention, I mean a decent paragraphs worth of info on each artist.


 * Why don't you be bothered? It's a wiki, anyone can edit it. You make up this decent info and put it in. And by decent I presume you mean verifiable factual content, not stuff that sounds like it came from a press-release. pfctdayelise (translate?) 13:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Reverted material
''Australian hip hop as a musical genre has had slow-forming roots over the past few decades. As early as the 1970's, Australian artists were beginning to experiment with more lyrically-driven musical forms, though still markably different from our contemporary understanding of hip hop. Nigel Butterley's First Day Covers (1972) is an early example of intergrated spoken word with musical forms and popular themes, though often overlooked for its satirical edge (due mainly to the influence of Barry Humphries). A decade later, Fabian Cool's solo release Not Without My Microphone (1982), despite being classified as Gospel Music, was and is still widely regarded as a critical step in the domestic evolution of hip hop. Fabian Cool's later work with Frangipani And The Floating Circus of Lights would also craft the Australian hip hop scene further.''
 * User:203.82.183.147: I will continue to remove the claim that most tracks continue to be downloaded and distributed as MP3's until a source is provided for it. How do you know this? Claims should be verifiable.
 * From User:141.168.55.124's edit, I removed this:

as well as the other references to Frangipani And The Floating Circus Of Lights, which is currently at AfD.
 * User:203.94.130.237 made a useful formatting edit, which I put back in.

Anonymous users, please consider using a Wikipedia account. It makes life a lot easier, both for you and for us. There are lots of benefits. pfctdayelise 01:02, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Butterfingers
Where should Butterfingers go in the article? They have had lots of exposure on Triple J. there does not appear to be an associated list of artists. Paul foord 11:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

not entirely sure Butterfingers can be classified as aussie hip-hop these days, they seem to have branched out into a different style. Thoughts? Chillicane 05:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Ozhiphop.com
Stop editing your crap drama into this article. It isnt funny.

This article is rubbish, what is with the continued reference to race? Surely this is not like the formation of North American hip hop, as some of you like to think.--58.173.0.224 (talk) 13:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Reworked the Article
I completely reworked the article adding a lot of headings, section breaks, and a small amount of new content mainly on the most commercially successful band (which has nothign to do with the size of it, unlike User: Redevilbatcave seems to beleive) the Hilltop Hoods - as they are prominent in the genre and were lacking a mention. However much of the article (including what I added) still lacks verifiablility, sources for opinions expressed, or is original research, such as my contributions. I'm going to flag thi article as lacking in sources in references, and perhaps someone else can help find some. I prefer to attempt to find sources for insourced information before making mass removals - but at the moment i'm much too tired to do so, especially after spending an hour working on the article. I put this comment at both ends of the talk page as i'm not sure whether up or down is firsat or last :/ Revoranii 15:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Little Nobody reference
This was deleted from the page, tho no notes as to why - which is weird since Little Nobody was an early Melbourne artist working with hip hop beats and grooves from 1997, and The Age review from 2000 specifically refers to this. Have reintroduced the artist, but please let me know if any reason why he should be removed. Cheers muchly.(Nina phunsta 14:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC))

Katalyst
I can't believe that there isn't an article on Katalyst on wikipedia - any body want to give it a shot?09:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

South West Syndicate
South West Syndicate (formed 1992) should be mentioned. Badagnani (talk) 23:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't believe that South West Syndicate should be included/mentioned - needs to be notable (there should at least be an article created on the band first). Actually there are a number of groups that have been included on the list that should be removed until they have their own separate article (justifying their notability) Dan arndt (talk) 08:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

This is one of the longest running, most notable and respected hip hop crews in the entire country. Badagnani (talk) 16:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Untitled: MC Opi
MC Opi is a UK born West African/Irish dance hall artist and was not a hip hop artist. She was around in the late 80s and early 90s, she has worked and/or performed with alternative rock musicians, vocalists and reggae artists internationally eg. Massive Attack, Christine Anu, Wicked Beats Sound System, The Grid, DJ Joe 90, Emphat Majuru, Lucky Dube and others. She should be included in the wiki for dance hall in Australia or the UK, although she was a prominent figure in the early 90s Australian hip hop scene as she produced the ABC radio national documentary 'Women on the Rhyme' which presented female hip hop and dance hall artists in Australia and internationally, this documentary featured Australian hip hop artist Charlene from Def Wish Cast. She was also a reporter and music journalist for SBS TV's music shows 'The Noise' and 'MCTVEE',she interviewed the Beastie Boys, Lucky Dube, Dr Alban and others. MC Opi has both an English and African name, Opi is an abbreviation of her African name Oparabea, but in respect MC's should be known as their MC name not by their full names, unless they themselves use it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.229.69.14 (talk) 07:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Phinesse
I can't believe that Phinesse isn't listed, they have toured with 50 Cent, Omarion, Fat Man Scoop, Naught by nature. They are also touring with Akon and T-Pain on the Konvict Tour in October 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bensational (talk) 00:54, 14 October 2010 (UTC) 202.4.69.180

Can they be added??? Bensational (talk) 00:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

who wrote the 'Style' section?
"As a result, it is hard to pinpoint what in Australian hip hop makes the hip hop Australian."

Honestly, this has to be one of the worst sentences I've ever seen on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by U4418327 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Vapors Magazine 1st in Hip Hop zine in the world
www.mohershipreconnection.blogsot.com go to archives and search for Vapors their is a scan of front cover of 1st edition 1988. at this time to my knowledge only a zine in New York existed that touched on Hip Hop related issues but only sporadically, it was called I.G.T - Subway Sons published by Phase 2 and co. I.G.T only had a few pictures of graff interspersed amongst political articles and race related issues. I was one of the key players behind Vapors which was spawned by Blaze.My roles included Photography,Typesetting, Proofreading, Paste up, Layout, Bromides, Distibution and a few otha bits and pieces, so as you can read I was very involved in this publication for a number of years I will upload some images to wiki soon. any questions email me at treva_sutcliffe@yahoo.com Easy Myme 01 tha Wizid Ov Oz 2010 Myme01 (talk) 21:50, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * hi, a few comments below
 * the link you included seems broken, even if it's meant to be mothershipconnection.blogspot.com?
 * re this sentence & citation request: "'Australia has an illustrious history with printed publications including one of the first hip hop magazines in the world[citation needed], Vaporz (1988)'"
 * I followed the links on the main Hip hop page in Media section, and it says Hip Hop Connection was also started in 1988. there's a photo of the cover linked in the article but I can't see the date on it. they do mention it's the 20th year anniversary in the article though (which matches 1988)
 * the Australian hip hoparticle says "one of" so it's not claiming to be *the* first in the world. I haven't found a reference stating this exactly, but have found some date related references.
 * I also found reference to the publication dates in the book "Phat beats, dope rhymes: hip hop down under comin' upper" By Ian Maxwell (page 89) this book is already a reference for this article & was published in 2003. though the Vapors dates in this book seem to contradict other interviews eg

"'Locally, as Ser Reck's tribute suggests, there were several fanzine-type publications produced within the Hip Hop Scene, the two most significant being Vapors, written, published, and distributed by Blaze in North Sydney from 1988 to 1992, and Hype, published by various editors in the Brisbane writing scene from the mid-1980s to the present.'"
 * Kathodonnell (talk) 07:08, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone know of the street magazine 'On the Street' it was in Sydney in the 1990s? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.7.253 (talk) 15:39, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I found a reference for Vapors being one of the first hip hop magazines in the world. Out4Fame magazine #25 page 32, in "DJ Peril's Tales from the Old School" section - an interview with DJ Blaze.
 * PERIL What are some of the highlights of your hip-hop career?
 * BLAZE Putting records out, and of course doing Australia's first hip hop magazine "Vapours", which was weirdly one of the first in the world. Back in 88, issue seven got into The Source Magazine with my address and I got like five hundred letters sent to me wanting a copy, which was very overwhelming.

so, adding this reference as a source Kathodonnell (talk) 10:33, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

notable list
I just saw STB (Skippy the Butcher) was added to the notable artists list. I did a search and it seems to have been added by their promo person - same name is posting their songs/links on other boards. I'm removing it. if I/someone can find more references we can add it back in (apart from a gig in late 80s supporting run dmc - I don't think one gig makes you notable? even if from the early days?) http://www.mp3.com.au/Forms/ArtistProfile.aspx?ProfileId=278978 mentions: "The band would be described as "Alternative industrial pop"." (then later) "the bands sound was evolving into something more funky and they were more and more influenced by hip hop" "They played through 1987 and 1988, supporting Run DMC on their ’88 Australian tour. In October they recorded the “Full Blown Rap” Demo, but by December it was all over for the last Skippy the Butcher" Kathodonnell (talk) 00:15, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * this notable artists list keeps getting changed. I'm tempted to just remove it and we only add people back in if there's lots of references for them as being notable? it's very subjective otherwise Kathodonnell (talk) 03:09, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed * The Bumblebeez. I noticed someone added lyrical commission / brad strut /trem. I think they are notable though they don't seem to have a WP page. I'll see if I can find some articles on them and do a page for them Kathodonnell (talk) 02:35, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Trove search
I've done a Trove search on archived websites for "Australian hip hop", see here. I don't say these are necessarily reliable sources but some of the 234 sites should provide further usable information for this article.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:49, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Untitled: not all correct
I am not sure who is writing this history, but not all of this is correct. There also seems to be representatives of some of the hip hop artists, deleting other notable hip hop artists achievements. I am going to speak to a few people back in the early mid 80s who know it's history and rework this history to be inclusive of all Australian Hip Hop artists with significant recognition because who ever reworked this, is not presenting the all the historical facts. PMandley 10:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Indigenous hip hop artist of the year at The Deadly Awards
I have created an article for MC Opi aka Opi Nelson, which is waiting to be reviewed by wiki. SteehanMalone (talk) 17:07, 18 August 2014 (GMT)

The 2012 Deadly Awards had a category for hip hop artist of the year. Paul foord (talk) 08:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

MC Opi
MC Opi should be included in the wiki for both dance hall and hip hop in Australia.

MC Opi (Opi Nelson) is a female UK born West African/Australian Indigenous/Irish dance hall artist and was not predominantly a hip hop artist.

The 1994 Christine Anu single 'Last Train' was nominated for an ARIA, which MC Opi toasts on. She was around in the late 80s and early 90s and performed at underground dance parties,and collaborated or performed with alternative rock musicians, vocalists and reggae artists internationally eg. Massive Attack, Christine Anu, Wicked Beats Sound System, The Grid, DJ Joe 90, Emphat Majuru, Lucky Dube and others. She was a prominent figure in the early 90s Australian hip hop scene.

She co-produced the ABC radio national documentary 'Women on the Rhyme' about female hip hop and dance hall artists in Australia and internationally, featuring Australian hip hop artist Charlene from Def Wish Cast, New Zealand's Moana and Moa Hunters and West Indian Shelley Thunders. She was also a reporter and music journalist for SBS TV's music shows 'The Noise' and 'MCTVEE',she interviewed the Beastie Boys, the late Lucky Dube and others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.168.253.87 (talk) 20:42, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome! There should first be an article on MC Opi on Wikipedia.  The above is a good start for a stub, so go ahead, be bold and create a new article, but you should cite reliable sources to verify the content, otherwise the article may be deleted.  You can then return to the Australian hip hop article and add her in the list of notable artists.
 * Also, remember to sign all of your comments on talk pages by typing ~ at the end. —sroc (talk) 01:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This MC Opi information was put into the main body of the article, I have deleted it for the reasons sroc refers to, although I moved the part on MC Tee Vee into the Television section.Heisoutofsight (talk) 09:18, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have added MC Opi back into this because she has major significance and influence in the exposure of Hip Hop in TV and Radio, and was one of the first hip hop artists to be involved in national media channels.PMandley (talk)10:20, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you please back it up with some sources then?Heisoutofsight (talk) 01:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes Last_Train (song) scroll down list to personnel. Last Train Video . The ABC Radio National 'Women On The Rhyme' was the first radio documentary about female hip hop artists in Australia co-produced and narrated by MC Opi, it is in ABC Radio archives I have checked with them because I wanted to play it on my show, I do not know whether it is listed online. MC Opi interviewed The Beastie Boys on MCTVEE, the first interview with the Beastie Boys on this show. I know from discussions with others, Opi has worked in a few genres and now living in the UK, working with the Gary Clail Sound System. She has always down played her work, she is humble, doubt whether she'd have a wiki page but there is stuff about her if you scour the net. PMandley (talk) 01:29, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I added further content and citations regarding MC Opi's contribution today, as it was a glaring omission.--Soulparadox (talk) 09:08, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Nuerahiphop
removed this from Online section Nuerahiphop is a network of social media channels which has an ongoing updated and archived selection of latest Australian Hip Hop releases including singles, albums, mixtapes and music videos. this is promotional - I couldn't find any secondary sources writing about the site Kathodonnell (talk) 03:52, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This content was later restored and I have removed it today, in addition to addressing the other promotional content in the "Online" section. I will keep an eye on this page from now on.--Soulparadox (talk) 09:07, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Just removed this again - they're certainly persistent! Jellyman (talk) 20:54, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

other components of hip hop
another problem I see with the article (there's many) is that it only mentions the music. there's other parts to hip hop (even Australian hip hop) eg breakdancing, turntablism, graf etc. this article only mentions the music (as a genre). not sure whether to add the other sections here or make another 'hip hop in Australia' type article? Kathodonnell (talk) 03:52, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think adding sections here on breakdancing, turntablism, graf etc would make the article better. I've been trying to help the article by adding more general details, sourced information, etc. I think it suffers from extremely narrow focus and I think adding what you've suggested with appropriate references would help correct that.Heisoutofsight (talk) 10:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Is MC Kye from Budspells Australian? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.55.0.252 (talk) 15:33, 8 September 2014 (UTC) Looking for infos on Bentley Bar Soundsystem nights and the rappers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.233.116.168 (talk) 16:30, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Regional scenes no longer relevant
I removed the "Regional scenes" content from the Infobox today, as scenes now exist throughout Australia, so it is inaccurate to solely focus upon Sydney and Melbourne.--Soulparadox (talk) 09:15, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Updated image for the Radio section?
It would be beneficial if someone could source an updated image for the radio section. Maybe of Sanchez from Adelaide's Fresh FM?--Soulparadox (talk) 08:42, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Continuous inclusion of personal promotion/tastes, rather than encyclopedic editing
I will also send messages to the actual editors, but copyeditors need to refrain from using this page as a promotional tool. I understand the "rebellious" nature of the culture, but there are many other suitable forums for such activity that will actually have a broader impact. For example, graffiti art and music writing/production. Thanks. Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 03:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Iggy Azalea
Is it really appropriate to include Iggy Azalea in an article about Australian hip hop? Other than where she was born and grew up, nothing about her career and fame is Australian. I'll refer to part of the opening paragraph: "Australian hip hop continues to develop as a diverse musical genre with a distinct Australian personality" That describes acts like Hilltop Hoods, Illy, Bliss N Eso, 360, and so on, but it hardly describes Azalea. She's made it known multiple times she doesn't want to be associated with Australia or the Australian Hip Hop scene, she's not lived here for a number of years, all her fame and collaborations have been arranged through and done with overseas, primarially US based recording artists, her albums have all been recorded in the US, her style is much like an American rapper, her lyrics don't have any real Australian themes to them, she doesn't even sing with an Australian accent. I think for this reason her inclusion in this list isn't desirable, and I would personally suggest her name be removed, because she isn't what this article is about.

Basically my point is this article is about Australian Hip Hop as a genre, which Azalea is not a part of as opposed to hip hop artists who happen to be from Australia.49.181.14.150 (talk) 16:14, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I think this is a fair point, but you need to provide citations for your claims, such as media articles, where you have sourced this information. Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 07:57, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I think it stands to reason and can be taken as common knowledge her career since she moved to the US at 16 has virtually been US centric. I'm sure I could drag some cites about her collaboration with TI, that her albums were recorded in LA and so on, so I'll move on to the more meatier assertions I made. Specifically though, we have these statements about why she doesn't rap about Australia or anything Australian themed: http://www.mtv.com/news/1966858/this-is-why-you-wont-hear-iggy-azalea-rap-about-australia/

This article also pretty much echoes my point: http://www.theguardian.com/film/australia-culture-blog/2014/jun/02/iggy-azalea-aussie-hip-hop-us-billboard

http://www.complex.com/music/2013/09/iggy-azalea-interview-complex-cover-story

Also refer to this biography of Azalea, which as an aside is cited in Azaleas own Wikipedia article.

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Iggy-Azalea-Biography/B03C4A251163C37B48257A060023646B

"I was drawn to America because I felt like an outsider in my own country, I was in love with hip-hop, and America is the birthplace of that, so I figured the closer I was to the music, the happier I'd be. I was right."

She's basically said there, that to her, there is no hip hop scene to be a part of in Australia. Nowhere have I seen her refer to herself as an "Australian Hip Hop artist" in the sense of being a part of the genre of Australian Hip Hop.

Based on the facts that she a, left Australia at age 16, to move to the US to pursue a rap career b, had absolutely no fame, profile or standing in the Australian rap scene when she left at 16-she went from being an Australian nobody to an American nobody c, has been mentored and influenced exclusively by American rap stars-TI, notably, d, Raps with an American accent e, Lives in the USA, permanently, with very few ties back to Australia-virtually no professional ties in any case f, Includes very few "Australian" themes in her raps, instead rapping mainly in the style of her Southern Hip Hop contemporaries, I find it hard to justify her inclusion in an article about Australian Hip Hop as a genre, which is what the rest of this article is about as opposed to Hip Hop artists who happen to be from Australia. She's from Australian, and she is in a different subgenre of hip hop, yes, but she's no more a member of the Australian Hip Hop scene than Slim Dusty was.

Finally I'll let Iggy Azalea's own article speak for itself. Nowhere in it do the terms "Australian Hip Hop", "Australian Hip-Hop" or "Australian Rap" get used. She's not a part of the Australian Hip Hop scene and for this article to claim she is is inaccurate and insulting to both her and the Australian Hip Hop scene. 49.182.158.188 (talk) 12:06, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

fixed an issue with tense switching Cdunc2015 (talk) 20:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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Expanded indigenous section
I made an edit today that expanded the indigenous hip hop section. I didn't add references, as all of the information is readily available (ie whether an artist is notable or not, and whether an artist is indigenous Australian). I didn't make any claims that would infringe BLP standards or any other Wikipedia rules. The main objective of my edit was to show that there are more notable indigenous hip hop artists than the article previously reflected. I didn't expect my edit to be rapidly reverted and belive this was done in haste and without much consideration. Many of the artists I included, written in NPOV prose, have their own Wikipedia articles already and they were wikilinked. I'd add them again, but don't want to start an edit war over this. Thoughts? --Danimations (talk) 10:00, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Excessively policed?
Is it just me, or are other people's edits to this article being overzealously reverted? I made some meaningful contributions recently that were all verifiable. Instead of placing 'citation needed' flags, which is what I would have done if this were one of the articles I follow closely, my work was hastily reverted. Where's the assumption of good faith? --Danimations (talk) 14:30, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Danimations. A quick look in the revision history suggests you are talking about your edit of the 17th, where you added something unsourced about TZU and Quro. I reverted that edit a few hours later, and did not mean to imply any bad faith on your part, only that you hadn't provided any sources. Today you have re-added info about TZU and Quro, this time with what looks like a good ref. I think this is almost perfect behaviour, with the exception that you could have added the cite in your first edit, saving us the back-and-forth.
 * I do not find it useful to add a citation needed to something when it's been freshly added, when such a tag might get ignored for many . If you (the adding editor) see that your addition has been reverted, you will probably be in a position to add a citation, since only you know where you saw it and, presumably, you haven't yet forgotten where that was. From my point of view, everything is cool, and I thank you for your contributions. &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 01:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)