Talk:Australian preferential voting system

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2004A15 - did some pages on Acorn voting, but got deleted for being too original.

2004A15 - started page for Preferential Voting in AUstralia.

2004A17 - someone (XYZ) redirected Prevential Voting to a better names, and changed a few formatting detail.

2004A17 - XYZ and author AWS got in each others way a bit.

2004A17 - XYZ was not to know that AWS had not finnished, but thanks anyhow.

2004A17 - can XYZ help with formatting of a Ballot as a Table?


 * Happy to, AWS. I have to slip out for a while, but write away and I'll have a crack at doing the table format when I get back. Welcome aboard, by the way. Tannin 23:59, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC) (AA XYX)

We already have the IRV and Australian_electoral_system pages, which cover this ground more thoroughly, neutraly, clearly and correctly. Pm67nz 00:22, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah? How about (quoting from A.E.S) Australians assume that Australia is the only country in the world where this voting method is known, let alone used as an example of "neutral" and "correct" writing? That's pure bullshit. I'll slip over there and correct it in due course. Tannin


 * I claimed that the two old pages are better than this one, not that A.E.S is perfect. The phrase you quote was the worst exaggeration in a very long article, which is why I watered it down with "tend to" when I came across it, but that's beside the point.  The issue is the duplication of topics under different names and how to merge or otherwise tidy them.  I think Wikipedia would be better without this page, even more so now that you've improved A.E.S  Pm67nz


 * I agree with PM67nz. Have done a serious overhaul of this page removing some of its oddities, but there is very little Australia-specific information. Suggest content is merged with IRV and Australian_electoral_system and then deleted - but by someone with a better knowledge of the system than me! Toby W 09:04, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * I agree, gentlemen. A merge would be a good idea. Tannin 09:40, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

This article is riddled with errors and is not very well written. Who are the Rural Right Party and the Leftist Labour Party? The piece about runoff elections is pure speculation. I hate to sound conceited but my article Australian electoral system is much better. As for Tannin's comment that a section of my article is "pure bullshit," I stand by that comment. I not only study elections but I also work in politics. I can assure him that most Australians do "assume that Australia is the only country in the world where this voting method is known, let alone used." And indeed that is not very far from the truth. Apart from the Republic of Ireland (which I think copied the idea from Australia) and Northern Ireland, I am struggling to think of another country which uses preferential voting. Adam 09:57, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh nonsense, Adam. Most Australians haven't got the faintest idea what voting systems are used in other countries - hell, most Australians couldn't name five world leaders and the countries they head, never mind describe the type of electoral system in use there. They know Bush, Blair, and ... er .... um .... not sure. The average bloke knows that the US has a presidential system, and maybe that the British "senate" is called the "House of Lords", but that's about it. But, now that I've corrected that aspect of the article, AES is much better than this entry. Tannin

With all due respect, Tannin, I have spent 20 years standing outside polling booths and scrutineering inside polling booths, sitting in party branch meetings and arguing politics with all kinds of people, and while you are right that most neither know nor care about voting systems, most assume that preferential voting is a uniquely Australian invention. Cross my heart. Having said that I don't much care if you amend the statement. Adam 10:39, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I'm sick of waiting for someone else to do something about this substandard article so I am going to redirect it and see what reactions that provokes. Adam 05:06, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)