Talk:Austro-Turkish War (1663–1664)

Unreliable Source
This article relies mainly on Andrew Wheatcroft's work. Andrew Wheatcroft is not a scholar, he's a pop-history writer. His books can't be used as reliable sources. Chamboz (talk) 23:27, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Definitely not a Habsburg Military Victory
Ottoman Empire captured a few key castles, and their march was halted at St. Gotthard. Unable to pursue the victory and recapture the lost castles, Habsburg Empire cannot be considered as victorious. If we have to decide a victor in the war, it can only be the Ottoman side. The battle at St. Gotthard was not a conclusive battle as the following source indicates: (In addition to Ottoman sources)

https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=KyVnAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=1664+peace+habsburg&source=bl&ots=WTtoiBm9VK&sig=ACfU3U2ClK6hj_n4HfGRX8RH-wMDDQMfHw&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwis_qOhw7TpAhXS8uAKHaKeDDk4FBDoATADegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=1664%20peace%20habsburg&f=false

Another source summarizing the war: https://brill.com/view/book/edcoll/9789004401921/BP000021.xml — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noyan Sipahi (talk • contribs) 00:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The result in the infobox we cannot leave empty, anyway...what would be your proposal to be put there?(KIENGIR (talk) 13:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC))
 * Well, what about removing the statements "Austria and allies military victory Ottoman diplomatic victory" and "Ottomans attack Vienna in 1683"? Peace of Vasvar would be enough for now. Noyan Sipahi (talk) 19:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, I noticed now, so shall it be.(KIENGIR (talk) 16:53, 28 October 2020 (UTC))

March 2021


Your recent edits don't make sense. First, you removed sourced content citing NPOV, and when reverted, you changed the result from "Ottoman victory" to "Austria and allies military victory" before removing the source that supports the Ottoman victory claiming that it was added by a sockpuppet.


 * The source that you added does not support the result that you changed. All it says is that "Vienna conceded further Hungarian territories to the Ottomans at the Treaty of Vasvár (1664)".


 * Removed sockpuppet source Whose sockpuppet are you referring to?

I will ping who's familiar with the notorious banned user who keeps targetting this article. M.Bitton (talk) 23:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

If you look at the edit history the source was added by user Johnny123466 which is a sockpuppet account. Yh I apologise for my edit inconsistencies but the page did previously at one point state on “Austria military victory and Ottoman diplomatic victory” although I think peace of Vasar should be listed as the result because it’s more neutral. Wowlebureh (talk) 23:26, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I must be missing something here because there's a big difference between what you said about being neutral and your edit which changed the result. M.Bitton (talk) 23:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Both versions of my edits where pretty neutral because they didn’t claim an all out victory for either side. Wowlebureh (talk) 23:34, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No, if anything, your edits were misleading since you misrepresented a source. Let's see what FDW777 has to say. M.Bitton (talk) 23:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Changed result
I have removed the unverifiable source:
 * Walter Hummelberger: Die Türkenkriege und Prinz Eugen. In: Herbert St. Fürlinger (Hrsg.): Unser Heer. 300 Jahre österreichisches Soldatentum in Krieg und Frieden. Wien/München/Zürich 1963, S. 52

and added:
 * The Last Muslim Conquest: The Ottoman Empire and Its Wars in Europe
 * Austria's Wars of Emergence, 1683-1797

neither of which mention a victor. Instead both mention Habsburg territorial loss and the Peace of Vasvár. To avoid WP:OR and WP:SYN, I have removed "Ottoman victory" from the inbox which was unsourced, and left what the sources state. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

107.117.172.55 is my edit. Not sure why I was logged out. Meh. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:53, 19 October 2021 (UTC)


 * the claimed Walter Hummelberger reference was added by a Derbyboy2890 sockpuppet here. As they are a self-confessed fabricator of references any edit they've ever made should be reverted, including but not limited to their current IP . FDW777 (talk) 16:33, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Good to know! Thanks FDW777! --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:40, 19 October 2021 (UTC)