Talk:Autism spectrum

Huh?
This bot, [|lowercase sigmabot III], has been deleting the conversations on this talk page for no apparent reason. Can anybody please explain why? These conversations are still relevant. Krystal Kalb (talk) 01:07, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It's called archiving. It's to prevent talk pages from growing too long and being filled with old conversations that have not been active within a certain threshold. The discussions are still present, you just need to look in one of the currently 19 archives listed in the banners at the top of the page. See WP:ARCHIVE for more of the technical info on why it's necessary, particularly on busy pages. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:37, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It is currently very confusing, though, partly due to the ongoing merge process: Talk:Autism spectrum/Archive 4 has the main outline of what we wanted to do to the Autism spectrum page, which I believe has since become the autism page? Oolong (talk) 21:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Why are we making classic autism the focus of this article?
Why not just make it about autism spectrum disorder, which is the current classification under which all the now-discontinued diagnoses (from before the current DSM-5 and ICD-11) would now fall under? It doesn't make sense that this encyclopedia's main article about autism would specifically focus on this one functioning label. ASD would be a better focus. Or rather, separate the articles for ASD and Kanner syndrome; they're two different things. HaiFire3344 (talk) 03:10, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The primary discussion on this, as well as the broader plan for updating the content in all autism related articles is being discussed at Talk:Autism spectrum and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Autism.
 * Short version, a lot of the autism articles haven't been properly updated in quite some time, with some still basing their text on the DSM-4 and DSM-4-TR. There's an ongoing merge between this article and Autism spectrum as part of that process, but these things take time. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:17, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok then, hopefully this whole "Kanner autism, or classic autism" thing on the Autism page is temporary, because the things focusing on Kanner should really go on the page that already exists for it. In fact, I think this page should've been merged with that page instead, and the autism spectrum page should've been kept or something. HaiFire3344 (talk) 03:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * IMO it would be more useful to approach this article historically, using the word itself as the anchor. DSM or ICD categories aren't the be all and end all. They are simply how interest groups have come to have their say, often under pressure from pharma, professional, and other interests. 'Autism' in 2022 usually means something very different to users than what it meant in 2002, 1992, or 1982, and it becomes hopelessly confusing to get all tangled up in assumptions that there is some entity or disorder called 'autism' that is somehow now permanent. Personally, I'd be totally blunt about it: "'Autism' is a word..." and then go on to evidence its changing scope of meanings as Bleuler gives way to Kanner and on to the DSMs and the rise of ASD. IMO, it's impossible to statically define the noun 'autism', since there is no such entity or syndrome in the world. 'Autistic' is fine as an adjective or adverb since they can characterise behaviors. But you'll never solve 'Autism' as a noun. Under close scrutiny, it may become a battle with those who feel that severely challenged individuals have in recent years been robbed of recognition by articulate, succesful, albeit socially awkward achievers (and clinicians who seek a more attractive client base, or simply dissolves for uncertain meaning. Sledgehamming (talk) 16:19, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I personally interpret "autism" as just being short for "autism spectrum disorder" (and "autistic" as describing someone of that neurotype or traits associated with it), but since it can be ambiguous, I guess an article that discusses the word in general and its history would be a good solution. However, shouldn't there also be an article specifically for autism spectrum disorder? HaiFire3344 (talk) 18:26, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

There are missing parts here
Autism is way more than just stacking objects and developing slowly and there are many other types not just kanner syndrom. Eg. Aspergers syndrome Ehvgwyv (talk) 17:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Asperger Syndrome is mentioned in the third paragraph of the lead and several times throughout the article, so I'm not sure I'm following your concern here. DonIago (talk) 20:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , that is exactly what the (admittedly, very slow-moving) merge is trying to address. We're currently cutting down this article to be only about Kanner, and reworking the autism spectrum article to be essentially what it sounds like you were hoping to find. After that, we have to rename the articles. It's a whole thing. If you'd like to help with it, that would be greatly appreciated. --Xurizuri (talk) 13:47, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If this article is going to only be about Kanner, what will be the point of the already existing Low-functioning autism article then? Will that be merged with the Autism article? HaiFire3344 (talk) 01:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, those two should be merged. It was sloppy that they ever existed alongside each other!
 * Note that this Talk page is now attached to an article which (if I'm not mistaken) mainly consists of material from what was the autism spectrum entry. Classic autism now covers the two entries you were talking about. Oolong (talk) 07:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussion lost after merge
I'm not sure how best to deal with the fact that when the merge finally went ahead, 'Autism' emerged as the title used for the main autism article, rather than 'autism spectrum' (which is fine) - but all the discussion about all the work that still needs to be done on the entry is now tucked away at Talk:Autism spectrum/Archive 4 and a bit at Talk:Autism spectrum/Archive 3 - shouldn't there at least be prominent links to the most relevant Talk pages for this entry? And shouldn't the discussion about the old autism entry now be archived?

Thanks! Oolong (talk) 07:47, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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