Talk:Auto Union 1000

Picture positioning
If you place the pre face lift and post facelift photos adjacent, it becomes easier to compare the simple windscreen of the first cars with the over the top wrap around windscreen of the later models. On the other hand, if you only have one picture at the top of the info box, the reader reaches the info more quickly. I don't really know which I prefer.

My priority with this entry - apart from translating from German wiki and learning in the process a bit about the Auto Union 1000 - is to try and balance an info box that gives useful info with a Michael style collapsible table at the foot of the thing which gives more useful / interesting info in a usable / accessible format. The hope is for a relationship between the two boxes which is complementary rather than conflictual. At the same time, if each is to be useful for the reader whose is disinclined - or has not enough time - to look at the other, an element of information overlap is not avoided and I think should not be resisted.

I think wiki likes an info box on the top right of ANY article, just as it likes an intro paragraph that summarizes the text. And that info box is a nice place to SUMMARIZE info for people who don't want to wrestle through four (or forty) little paragraphs of verbiage. BUT I think we have also established that for cars, especially where there are different body types and, over time, different engine specifications, the standard narrow wiki info box format simply becomes overburdened with the amount of detail. BUT I think we've also established that for many readers, that amount of details is interesting / helpful. Those are the elements I was thinking to try and balance here.

Just musing. Charles01 (talk) 11:36, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I was thinkg that if you have only one picture you can take fast look to the infobox details, maybe we could find other picture next to pillaerless version to make comparison easier, there is one picture with seems to be DKW 1000 is it the same car?  --&mdash;  Typ932 T  12:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Tried that.  I seem to have lost an image in the process, but I guess that's recoverable.   And I moved the capition from the info box image because that image is intended to stand for the whole range even though it is of the same model that we are showing now also at the bottom, I think.
 * Is this Swedish one the one you meant?  There seemed to be several possibilities, mostly Swedish.   Do they have a very dry climate in Sweden that preserves the old cars?  I do find all these name changes confusing and evidently I'm not the only one.   Our Swedish friend's car has Auto Union written on the nose, but he's also added, I think, an extra little badge on his grill:  I wonder if he changed anything else in the badge department....   Charles01 (talk) 12:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I was thinkg this picture http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:AutoUnion_%28DKW%29_1000_%28registered_1965%29_right.jpg
 * it has dkw badge on front. No there isnt very dry climate in sweden I think, samekind as here, wet and cold.. --&mdash; Typ932 T  12:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

DKW/Auto Union
Is the car manufactured by DKW and parent company is Auto Union and the car itself branded as Auto Union? --&mdash; Typ932 T  12:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

We got an edit conflict possibly because I went on writing nfor too long, but here's what I wrote:

Who made what?
I do not think your latest edit is right. However, I was very young at the time, and I am relying on memory. I think the business was called Auto Union. Auto Union owned several brands including DKW. Most of the cars built by Auto Union between 1950 and 1964 were branded as DKWs or (latterly) as Audis. BUT the Auto Union 1000 was branded as an Auto Union (possibly also as a DKW).

I do not think brands make things. I think businesses (or firms) make things. A brand, for me, is a label that they stick on it in order to sell it. Daimler Benz is - or at least used to be - the name of a car manufacturer. He branded his cars with the name Mercedes Benz. But that did not change HIS name. It changed only the name of the car. To be strictly correct you need to say that Daimler Benz built the Mercedes Benz car. By contrast BMW is a manufacturer AND a brand. The business is called BMW and so is the brand.

(Daimler Benz was a lousy example because I cannot remember what the business is called since they got rid of Chrysler.  How about Mercury is a brand used by Ford?   Mercury is a kind of car, but Ford takes the decisions.   DKW was a kind of car, but Auto Union took the decisions to make and sell the things.)

Back to Auto Union, I think the way I had worded it before was .. um ... better...

Regards Charles01 (talk) 12:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * In de wiki reads like this "Der Auto Union 1000 war ein Mittelklassewagen mit Frontantrieb von DKW bzw", if the car was actually build by DKW then could use Manufacturer as DKW and parent company as Auto Union, well I dont really know what the DKW has then do with this car.. ,) maybe should changed back --&mdash;  Typ932 T  13:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm not sure German wiki has this quite as right as it could do. English wiki starts (no, it wasn't me..)"DKW is a historic car and motorcycle marque".   That seems to come from "Die Marke DKW war 1928 ... gegruendet worden....   1932 wurde aus DKW, Horch, Audi u Wanderer die Auto Union gegruendet.....In Westdeutschland kam es erst im Januar 1949 zu einer Neugruendung der Auto Union."   Which is the Roger Gloor book on Autos der 50er Jahre to which I've been referencing one or two stats lateley.   Later in his article he refers to the "Hause Auto Union DKW" launching the Auto Union 1000 as 'die bisherigen DKW'.   I don't think this is 100 % conclusive.   But I still think it points towards DKW being a Marke and Auto Union the Hersteller.  I say Marke denotes brand (or marque) rather than manufacturer.
 * At the end, I think we may be in danger of dancing on the head of the proverbial pin over this.  But if I have to vote, then my vote remains as previously indicated!   Regards   Charles01 (talk) 13:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

infobox picure
isnt that DKW and not Autounion 1000? --&mdash; Typ932 T  09:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

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