Talk:Autonomous Community of Catalonia

This sentence is an opinion and should be rewritten: "In any case, while Catalan is experiencing a spectacular revival, the dominating presence of Spanish-speakers will continue to make universal use of Catalan unlikely." It's an opninion, may be offensive and an Encyclopedia should not be the place to express opinions and political ideas. --Friviere 16:42, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Environment "... lack of genuine commitment to grass-roots democracy."
This sentence is an opinion and should be rewritten: "In any case, while Catalan is experiencing a spectacular revival, the dominating presence of Spanish-speakers will continue to make universal use of Catalan unlikely."

It's an opninion, may be offensive and an Encyclopedia should not be the place to express opinions and political ideas. --Friviere 16:42, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I have been to Barcelona and I find it hard to believe that anyone would say that Catalonia lacks a grass-roots democracy. I think this paragraph has a POV and as such must be rewritten/removed. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.240.202.106 (talk &bull; contribs) 16 Sept 2005.

the RULE (see People's Republic of China or Japan is to put only the OFFICIAL names in the table. The Spanish name it isn't official due to an aproved SPANISH governamental law. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 158.109.192.124 (talk &bull; contribs) 5 Oct 2005.


 * The above comment is presumably with reference to removing "Comunidad Autónoma de Cataluña" from the article. I don't really have a strong opinion either way, but when you say that's "the rule": can you point to somewhere in the manual of style or elsewhere that says that? I've observed over the last two years that the general practice has been to include, somewhere in the article on a geographical territory, any names that are (or have been) widely used in that territory. For example, we often include Hungarian- or German-language names for locations in Transylvania, all of which is now in Romania; See Sibiu for an example of this. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:55, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Catalonia to be redirected here
Current Catalonia would be redirected here after being distinguished from historic term. Please comment here and there Toniher 23:08, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Traditions and others could be cleaned from this article and other sections would be expanded. Toniher 23:20, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't object to any arrangement that can get some consensus, but here are two alternatives I would prefer Jmabel | Talk 04:51, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) If we can agree that Catalonia in the English-speaking world today normally means the present-day autonomous region (I think it does) then Autonomous Community of Catalonia should redirect to Catalonia rather than vice versa.
 * 2) If not, then Catalonia should become a disambiguation page, not a redirect.

Wishing to help finding consensus, I agree with Jmabel. The real goal now must be to have one only article, and the best name is "Catalonia". Others must redirect there. --Joan sense nick 21:32, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. However, by now... both Catalonia and this version will have to be checked to consider which changes will have to be included in the former one. If noone else complains this article could become a redirection in a few days... Toniher 12:13, 7 October 2005 (UTC)