Talk:Avalon, California

This page is redirected to from Avalon Bay (REIT) Page. That page described the apartment AvalonBay Communities, Inc., an equity REIT. Many Wikipedia pages link to that page, but are now redirected to this "Avalon, CA" page. This is very wrong. Instead Avalon Bay needs to continue to resolve to the REIT page (which I can no longer find) so that all the links are not broken. If it is desired to change that, then at least first change the Wikipedia Pages that link to Avalon Bay, intending to link to the REIT, link to Avalon Bay Communities page (REIT). Xkit (talk) 20:34, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Airport
What is the Catalina Airport-In-The-Sky, can someone add a clarification to the wiki? --Coryma 16:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The current article for the Catalina Airport is barely a stub and desperately needs to be improved and enlarged. If you would like to do that, I will try to help you. Blank Verse 10:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Electricity
Where does Catalina get its electricity from?
 * From the Pebbly Beach Generating Station. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 02:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject California Suggestions
I'm reposting some constructive criticism that this page received from members of WikiProject California on how this page can be improved:


 * It should probably have a Cityscape section with at least a brief paragraph describing the towns layout. You might want to take a look at San Francisco (a recently reviewed Featured Article) for general structure ideas.
 * In progress, I added a cityscape section, but it probably needs some serious cleaning up along with references.--mcd51 (talk) 04:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, I've done as much as I can to improve this section. Further improvement will probably need a second set of eyes.--mcd51 (talk) 01:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The citations should be consistently formatted. The easiest way to do this is with citation templates, Magnus' makeref tool might help until you get the hang of doing them by hand.
 * Done, all citations have been formatted with the format--mcd51 (talk) 00:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The Education section needs expansion into a full paragraph.
 * Done, the education section is now expanded throughout.--mcd51 (talk) 17:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Should add some images to illustrate Government (picture of city hall maybe), Education (picture of a school?), and demographics (a chart of some sort).
 * In progress, See below for demographics. I've found a few pictures of the school (the Lancer mascot logo here) and the city hall (from the City of Avalon website here). These were taken respectively from the city and school websites. Is there any way I can legally get these images onto Commons?
 * Done, plenty of pictures on this page now--mcd51 (talk) 05:53, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * For climate you probably want to create a chart either of the Infobox Weather (ex:San Francisco weatherbox) or Climate chart (ex: Manchester) variety to show month to month variation.
 * Done, a weather infobox has been added to the page--mcd51 (talk) 00:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * For demographics you can create some form of infographic or use USCensusPop (ex: Atherton, California) for an easy way to show historical population.
 * Done, data was pulled from the US Census and an infographic was added--mcd51 (talk) 00:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In terms of importance I've placed it at Low importance because the population is less than 25,000. An easy way to check what is expected for a city article is to take a look at Featured Articles like San Francisco, Manchester, England or Cleveland, Ohio. I hope that helps. -Optigan13 (talk) 00:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for looking at the page and giving me some advice. I wonder, though, if Avalon's current rating importance rating of "Low" isn't accurate. I understand that the guidelines above state that settlements with less than 25,000 should generally be classified as "Low" Importance. However, I would say that Avalon, CA has mitigating circumstances that push its importance past that of other podunk California cities


 * Avalon is one of the few major resort communities serving Southern California. As a tourist destination, Avalon has averaged from 750,000-900,000 visitors per year over the last 20 years (Catalina Island Chamber of Commerce Visitor Counts). This compares favorably to Mission San Juan Capistrano, which receives close to 500,000 visitors per year. Additionally, the California Travel & Tourism Commission rates Catalina Island as one of its top five destinations in the Greater Los Angeles Area, with Avalon being the central point of tourism for the entire Island. I'd like to hear your feedback on this. Thanks again for looking at the page.


 * I understand what you're saying but I'd like to keep the importance rating where it's at for now. There's currently 13,329 articles without an importance rating and a lot of automation is needed to bring that down. If there's some straightforward way to add in tourism, household income, and the host of other factors that affect the relative importance of a settlement to California where you could plug it into a bot to get a consistent and easy to understand result I'd like to do it. Also bear in mind that the importance scale is only one of several factors consider for release versions, which also includes external interest including hits, as well as quality score. Project importance shouldn't necessarily affect what you work on. Would you mind if we just leave it where it is for now? I'd like to finish flushing out the importance categories above. Then hopefully give everything an importance category, and then start adjusting articles importance assessments. -Optigan13 (talk) 22:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * That seems fair. I was going to continue to work on it anyways even if it retained its rating of low.  Besides, now that I've had a chance to think about it more, it seems like Santa Catalina Island, California (which is unrated right now) would be a more comprehensive article that would go higher on the importance list.  I'll probably start working on that article once I finish working on the changes you suggested for the Avalon page.  Thanks for all your input, Optigan13. It's very helpful for a new contributor like me.--mcd51 (talk) 01:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Any help implementing these changes would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! mcd51 (talk) 00:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

More feedback from the WikiProject page:


 * A couple thoughts
 * Not sure if I would specify the phone information in the lead, but maybe that could work if the prose was tweaked a bit of something. See WP:LEAD.
 * If you're going to link Tongva you should probably link the full name as Gabrielino/Tongva.
 * "tribe, who, having" You might want to drop the commas, I don't know if you need to have the readers pause there.
 * Probably link George Shatto, he bought the island of Catalina, he might be notable.
 * Might need to adjust the sentence about the Banning brothers improvements, it's a bit of a run on.
 * Unfortunately I think that image will have to go. It looks good, but in order for the fair use to work it needs to be more than decoration, the image or something it illustrates have to be discussed. (See Non-free content criteria).
 * In 1929, Wrigley built the Catalina Casino was built in 1929 over ...
 * The Santa Catalina Island Company maintained maintains control of ...
 * Make sure to use convert throughout for the measurements, there's several that need it, like 22 miles in the geography section. See Manual of Style (dates and numbers) for the whole story on those.
 * Explain what the acronym P.L.A.Y. stands for when you first use it.
 * "but a single principal, currently Joe Carlson, administers all three levels of education." I don't think you need to name the school principal.
 * I've rerated as a B, and at this point I would recommend you consider starting to take it through the more formal content processes starting with a WP:Peer review with suggestions on possibly going to WP:GAN or even WP:FAN eventually. I'm pretty weak on the specific WP:Manual of Style issues, and on tightening prose. You may be able to find someone in one of those forums to help you. -Optigan13 (talk) 08:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Minor changes committed, will try to address most of these concerns before taking it to peer review--mcd51 (talk) 05:53, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I've looked at this article so many times I can't tell what's good or bad anymore. I think it's ready for a peer review, to get it up to Good Article level.--mcd51 (talk) 01:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (File:Avlaon Harbor.jpg)
 Thanks for uploading File:Avlaon Harbor.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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Reversed image?
Another editor has pointed out that File:Avlaon Harbor.jpg, an archive image used here, was apparently scanned -- or so they think. Can another active editor confirm the reversal? The original image looks right to me. See File history at the image. Thanks in advance, Pete Tillman (talk) 02:03, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Done & settled. Present version should be right. Thanks, Pete Tillman (talk) 04:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but it looks like we may not be able to use this image due to copyright issues (see Optigan13's comment above in "WikiProject California Suggestions") We might be able to use it if we add a culture section that discusses the plein air festival held on the island every year. Let me know if this is something that you want me to pursue, or if you want to write one yourself.--mcd51 (talk) 00:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Sigh. WP foolishness re CC-NC surfaces again. Note that the photo is free-licensed for noncommercial use (ie, by nonprofits like Wikipedia) but, due to (imo) ideological pig-headedness on the part of the Wikimedia board, we can't use it, because some hypothetical future commercial user might not be able to read the license. Sigh2, Pete Tillman (talk) 01:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced statement
I searched all over, but couldn't find any reliable sources for the following statement:


 * The Bannings also improved the standard of Avalon's beach by erecting a sea-wall and adding "spoonholders" or covered benches, building a bath house. For additional habitation, the Bannings erected close to one hundred tents throughout Avalon's canyon (often called "tent cities"). These tents were created so that if the expense of a hotel was too much, a visitor could rent out a tent for the bargain price of $7.50 per week. To this day, many homes in Avalon are still in possession of the same tents that stood in that spot over a century ago.

Feel free to add it back in if you can source it.mcd51 (talk) 16:51, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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Record High Temperature in Climate Data Completely Incorrect
The climate graph for Avalon, CA, now has a record high of 116 degrees on July 6, 2018 - which would be a full 12 degrees higher than the previous record high. A quick search of the link to that figure does not show that number at all, and a search of the Weather Almanac shows the (truly record high) temperature that day reached 105.1. So July 6, 2018, did record an all time high - but someone decided to add another 11 degrees with no scientific basis or links.

https://www.almanac.com/weather/history/CA/Avalon/2018-07-06 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.66.195 (talk) 16:30, 15 July 2018 (UTC)