Talk:Avari (Middle-earth)

needs a date
This section needs a date in it, whichever is the most ponient. Maybe when they were summoned.

173.118.115.32 (talk) 01:21, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

History Section needs revision
"When the Vala Oromë found the Elves who had awakened in Cuiviénen (see: Awakening of the Elves), he asked them to come with him to Valinor. All the Elves of the First Clan (Vanyar) and many of the Elves of the Second and Third Clans (Noldor and Teleri) were persuaded to follow Oromë into the West on a Great Journey. The remainder of the Elves of the Second and Third Clans remained suspicious of the Lords of the West, seeing them only in their wrath, or they simply refused to depart from their own lands. They were after known in Quenya by the name Avari because they refused the summons. Later, they spread throughout the wide lands of Middle-earth."

This opening section needs to be re-written. The names of Vanyar, Noldor and Teleri came about and were defined as those that followed their leaders, Ingwë, Finwë and Olwë/Elwë respectively out of Cuiviénen, thus making up the Eldar (Elves of the Great Journey). The names were given to those that left. Thus, by definition, they cannot be of the Avari (The Unwilling). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwehman (talk • contribs) 18:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)