Talk:Avarna

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Is "Avarna" synymous with "outcaste"/"harijan"/"dalit"No ,the three terms are different.The first one has some meaning in the true sense of their status.The larger inclusive terms are artificial naming with political witchcraft.117.194.202.40 (talk) 15:18, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

One such community is Definitely Namasudra(Namassej). Although Govt. documents show Namasudra, but actually they were outcast in the true sense of Hindu apartheid .They lived in complete isolation in swampy lands. 117.194.202.40 (talk) 15:18, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

There is difference b/w outcaste and Avarna. Outcaste is those who are thrown out of the varna system, for misdeeds or non-conformance to the varna dharma.. whereas Avarna refers to the tribes, the forest dwellers, and those who do not come under varna setup.. Avarna are definitely NOT slaves.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.172.152.87 (talk) 19:32, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

"Refers to tribes" is a nonsense phrase.Even a Brahmin also belongs to some tribe (only that they have a varna and not living in jungles in isolation).The people whom you refer as tribes are also untouchable to the Brahmins. Shudras are time and again referred to as the so called tribes defeated or accepting the varna system, though insulting to them and became victim of Hindu Apartheid.But those who remained outside were also deprived of all facilities and now facing extinction.In English translation someone has written outcaste but the actual term is "Chandal" .Literal meaning is different for two terms.The tribal population were turned out of their settlements near the river valley.They have not taken the decision they were forced to as now they are forced to also.117.194.201.117 (talk) 13:39, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Non-Indians
Are non-Indians (such as Europeans) considered to be Avarna, since they don’t have a caste? I am thinking of Tulsi Gabbard, who is a practicing Hindu but has no Indian ancestry. 63.231.140.53 (talk) 22:46, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If she asks for a varna, somebody will come up with one. But she is not likely to bother. The Hindu rituals these days stay away from controversial issues like that. Perhaps knows how this works. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:12, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Meaning of words
Avarna (അവർണ) is a term used with respect to caste system followed in Indian state of Kerala. The word is formed by using the prefix 'ā (അ)' with the word Varna (Hinduism). The prefix 'ā (അ)' always negates the word following it in Malayalam and Sanskrit languages. Therefore the word meaning is 'Not included in Varna (Hinduism) system'.In ancient days those castes who didn't accepted brahminical supremacy were not included in Varna (Hinduism) System.Also according to Keralolpathi there are only Brahmins and Shudras which are included in Varna system in kerala. Kalangot (talk) 14:07, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this seems too specialized for English Wikipedia. You might try discussing it on Malayali Wikipedia. (The Sanskrit meaning of avarna is to refer to Dalits, as our main article says.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:23, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

no dalit and avarna are different. avarna is used in kerala. avarna meaning is out of varma — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalangot (talk • contribs) 10:07, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

"who didn't accepted brahminical supremacy" - Your bias is showing, a Shudra could become a Brahmin if they followed the steps. A Brahmin also could become Shudra. The genetic evidence shows that people marrying within their own caste began 1900 years ago, far later than the Vedic texts: https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/indias-caste-system-goes-back-2-000-years-genetic-study-6C10874609

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3769933/ Hindian1947 (talk) 06:33, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Should Avarna have its own page
Avarna clearly means outside the Varna system. But the current page for Avarna redirects to the page for Varna, where it is given a half-sentence treatment. There are many people newly converted to Hinduism in the past 500 years or so, who do not have an assigned Varna. For example in Tulunadu where the earlier bhuta or nature worshipping 'pagan' people were brought into Hindu fold but there is no varna for them. These people are not outcaste or dalit, they are avarna.

I suggest avarna should have its own page.

Pranab 13:08, 14 April 2021 (UTC) -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranab.salian (talk • contribs)


 * I suggest you start by adding a section to this page, and we will see how it goes. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:10, 14 April 2021 (UTC)