Talk:Avenged Sevenfold/Archive 2

The Deathbat
The deathbat IS!!!! on the cover of City of Evil, but not on Sounding of the sevnth Trumpeth, or Live LBS & Diamonds in the Rough.... change that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Deathbat is a rip-off of Tiger Army's Logo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.193.225.125 (talk) 22:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

No Way is A7x heavy metal
Who thought it would be funny to put them under heavy metal? They have just about no characteristics or anywhere near the heaviness to be called any kind of metal. Maybe alternative metal. I'm calling for it to be edited out. They're just flat out hard rock and they've STATE that they are NOT metal nor try to be. THAT is blatant rule breaking of that point of view rule we have around these parts.

Pantera, Children of Bodom, Anniahaltor all could be classified as heavy metal (even though Children of Bodom is more power metal). A7x is closer to being under the guns n roses-ish category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TapOut 013 (talk • contribs) 02:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Avenged Sevenfold have stated on numerous occasions that they idolize Pantera, Metallica and Dream Theater if that should be enough of an influence. The debate on whether Avenged Sevenfold are metal or not is based on fan preference and bias and not on musical facts. They have fast tempos, double-bass drumming, down-tuned guitars, screaming vocals, shred-guitar solos... I think that even though hardcore metal fans might not like it, they belong in the category. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 03:44, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Recent events
The "Recent events" section is mentioning events from 2006 and 2007... is this really considered recent? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.251.119.68 (talk) 07:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

The origin of the band's name should be changed
The exact line from which the band's name originates is line 24 of Genesis, Chapter Four, of the King James Bible. "If Cain shall be 'avenged sevenfold', truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold. " Iamtheram (talk) 00:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Missing a Song M Shadows was featured in
M Shadows sings on the song Like Always by Kiss for Kings (Formerly A Permanent Holiday) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.53.69 (talk) 23:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

By whom, exactly ??? If a song is to be added, it would be cool to have some info.PhoenixAscendant (talk) 03:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Gage C.
alrity there is an error on the Band name and lyrical content. Cain would suffer "vengeance seven times over" should be or (in a different version) (if you prefer) should suffer "vengeance sevenfold"

Matt Wendt?
I've been a fan of A7X for quite some time and I have read this page many times and I was curious who the heck is Matt Wendt and when where they added because I don't recall anyone of that name being in the band.

Genre Change in opening paragraph
You can't pinpoint A7X as only a metalcore band in the opening paragraph, therefore, I have changed it to read "heavy metal/hard rock with hardcore influences". If you wish to dispute it, please show your evidence that A7X ONLY represents metalcore before reverting it. --Supercodes (talk) 22:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sell-outs?
"Reasoning behind their change in style can be attributed to the fact that they weren't making near as much money being heavy metal, so they completely cut screaming out of their music, thus making the change from heavy metal to hard rock, in order to slip into the mainstream and make more money. They are often labeled as sellouts because of this." Who wrote this? It just seems wrong to put this and seems like the author is bashing the band —Preceding unsigned comment added by Titan50 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreeing with above post; that section needs serious rewriting. RWyn (talk) 00:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

if you are nodding your head with the guy who says they are sell outs then you are obviously an idiot, Avenged Sevenfold stopped screaming because the lead singer blew a vain in his throat while screaming so he cant scream anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MacNJack (talk • contribs) 21:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

O.K............ M. Shadows can screm better than ever proof are songs like walk and blinded in chains (blinded in chains he holds a long scream for like 3-5 seconds) he can scream they just realized that they can do more then just scream —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dld6661 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Thrash???
I noticed some of their new material has thrash elements. Would it be appropriate to say they are thrash? They have speed metal elements, and they have a couple occasional shouts and screams in a few of their songs. Wut do you think? RaikiriChidori 12:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

There is a "genre" section describing a7x's apparent variations in their genre and styles. You should feel free to contribute to that section by showing examples of songs of theirs that demonstrate thrash or speed metal.

Andrew Nutter (talk) 01:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm. I always thought that having a genre argument on here was a bad idea. Anyway the point with A7X is that they don't want to get put into a specific genre. They want to evolve constantly so they can't get "typecast". I think that should be included somewhere. I'll come back with a reference. The thing is if you start showing examples of different genres your going to have a very, very long page of pretty much meaningless information. P&#39;sInTheShadows (talk) 14:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

They have death metal elements would it be pertinent to write it? I think they're fuckin' emo too but the latest album was more from power metal thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.201.169.202 (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

holla
You people take the genre of this band way too seriously. Who gives a fuck.

Its true who cares what genre they are just enjoy the music.

I think personally that A7X perposally makes they're music sound unique just to drive stupid people that have to put a label on everything insane.

Um....their music is definitly not unique sounding. Obviously you've never listened to any of the bands they completely steal their "unique sound" from.. 74.67.202.89 21:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey mr. 74.67.202.89. please quit wasting everyones time attacking a band in their discussion page. Zanders5k 21:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Almost all of there songs are different.I know,i own all 38 currently released,and they are all about change,they don't stick to one genre,so the best decision would be just to classify them as rock.4.235.189.179 03:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

74.67.202.89, you must be pretty dumb aren't you. EVERY band "copies" other bands if they even affiliate with any genre at all. Avenged Sevenfold just happens to "copy" far less than everyone else by just using elements from multiple genres to create music that is truly their own, rather than just finding one genre they're good at and sticking to it; that would really be copying. And yeah, person who started this thread, you have a good point in that genre really doesn't matter, which is why I started the little section saying how, to Avenged Sevenfold, genre really means nothing and all that stuff. And just because it isn't something to judge music by or whatever, it doesn't mean it isn't something worth thinking about, does it? I think that would be a bit ignorant.

Andrew Nutter (talk) 01:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You don't care what genre they are. You only care about the music. Good for you! but really, are you really gonna write to an encyclopedia "Dude, you called my favourite band a genre. And you had a section about what genre elements are in their music. I don't give a fuck what their genre is, so take it out!" there is a place for that kinda stuff, and Wikipedia is not it.Xanthic-Ztk (talk) 10:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

origin of the band's name
I noticed that the article mentions that the name "avenged sevenfold" comes from Genesis 4:15, which says "therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold...." I was wondering if the person who wrote the article (or anyone who happens to be reading this) knows if that is really true. Since their name contains the word "avenged," which implies vindication, it seems incorrect to say that their name came from a verse that has "vengeance," meaning punishment more than vindication. Instead, the actual phrase shows up in Genesis 4:24, which says "If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold." I wonder if their name actually came from the story of Lamech than specifically the story of Cain?

Kkhunziker 01:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)kkhunziker

I'll have to see if I can find the interview - or whatever I read this in - again, but I know I read somewhere that Avenged Sevenfold said themselves that, that is where the band's name came from. Sunrise55 21:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)SPLEEEEEEEENNNN!!!!!

It's in All XS. Goes over the band name in quite alot of detail although I would'nt know how you could reference it.P&#39;sInTheShadows (talk) 14:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I also saw that in Genesis and I think that it is from Genesis 4:24 and not 4:15. I'm not going to change it because I'm not sure but it makes more since as Genesis 4:24. Ziggy55 (talk) 04:21, 30 January 2008 (UTC) Wow I didn't know the members where Christian but their music isn't right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.33.172 (talk) 20:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Well... YES IT ACTUALLY COMES FROM THE FRICKING BIBLE, YES IT COMES FROM CAIN, YES THEY ROCK AND YES YOU NEED TO GET OVER THE WHOLE OVER ANALYZING THING

All bibles are different, mine doesnt say "avenged sevenfold" but "suffer vengeance seven times over" and in the case of Lamech if Cain is avnged seven time, then Lamech seventy seven times." I think he Matt either had to revise what hed written, or his bible says "avenged sevenfold", straight up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.158.15 (talk) 03:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

In checking this, the New American Standard Bible, the New King James Veresion, and the King James Version, specifically use the term "avenged sevenfold" in v24, and NOT v15. So while v15 describes the initial protection for Cain, it does not use the specific term. Verse 24 is actually entirely about Lamech, as has been noted, but specifically states in the abovementioned versions, "...if Cain is avenged sevenfold, Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold." So it makes the most sense that the band took it from 4:24. I am unaware of the phrase "avenged sevenfold" being used in any other common translation anywhere else other than v24.--12.104.137.226 (talk) 20:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Templates for the talk page
First of all there's too many. And the to do is empty. and what does this have to do with california??? Lg1223 20:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

 * Zacky Vengeance owns his own clothing line, called "Zacky V. Presents..." It features the popular "Vengeance University" line, featuring shirts, belt buckles and hoodies. Each of his items are labled with 6661 which is upside down for the year that the band Avenged Sevenfold started..
 * Synyster Gates also has a clothing line, titled "Syn Gates Clothing."
 * The Rev and Synyster were both members of the band Pinkly Smooth, formed with members of the now-extinct band Ballistico. The Rev sang and also recorded drums. Former Avenged Sevenfold bassist, Justin Sane, was also in the band.
 * The Rev and former bassist Justin Sane also used to be in the ska/pop/rock band Suburban Legends, also from Orange County.
 * The group won "Best New Artist" at the 2006 MTV Video Music Awards, despite not truly being a new band. The band themselves gave an incentive to those who voted for them (live, unreleased videos for "Seize the Day" and "Bat Country")
 * Synyster Gates' father, Brian Haner plays some of the acoustic guitars on City of Evil, including the first acoustic solo on the song Sidewinder and Strength of the World. He is often referred to as the band's official acoustic guitarist.
 * The song "Beast and the Harlot" was featured in 2006 PlayStation2's Guitar Hero II under the setlist Face-Melters. It also appears in the Xbox 360 port of the game.
 * The idea from the song Beast and the Harlot, and many of the lyrics, were taken from the Book of Revelation, the final book of the Bible. Much of the song appears in chapters 20-25.
 * Zacky V came up with 6661 which represents the year the band was formed, inverted; Zacky can be seen sporting on stage his 6661 belt buckles.
 * In an episode of Bones you can hear the song "Bat Country" in the background of a party.
 * In the movie Big Momma's House II you can hear part of the song "Bat Country" in the back ground at a night club.
 * In The Playstation 2 Game Burnout Revenge, an edited version of "Beast and The Harlot" is a soundtrack song
 * In an episode of Always Sunny in Philadelphia, you can see an Avenged sticker in the bathroom at their bar.
 * In the music video for "Before He Cheats" by Carrie Underwood you can see a woman in the background wearing an A7X tank top.
 * Avenged Sevenfold's vocalist M. Shadows will be appearing on country rapper Cowboy Troy's new CD.
 * The Song "Bat Country" is heavily influenced by Hunter S Thompson's Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. The music video starts off like the actual movie, quoting "He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
 * M Shadows says only 10 out of 18 songs made it to the new album, which they co-produced. See the full interview here, while they were in Singapore for music festival SingFest. Some performances here


 * Per the Avoid trivia sections in articles guideline I have moved this section to talk page so that it can be sourced, then integrated into the article where and if appropriate. Yamaguchi先生 01:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Just another addition to the trivia section that could be integrated somewhere on the main page but the song "Almost Easy" appears on the soundtrack of Need For Speed:Pro Street. Annoyingly I'm at work and can't access games sites so I can't get a reference.P&#39;sInTheShadows (talk) 15:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

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Associated Acts
Although the Good Charlotte article mentions that M. Shadows is a guest vocalist on one of their tracks, I don't think this qualifies as associated acts. Plus this isn't even mentioned on this page. Random89 06:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

All Excess DVD.
How come this isn't mentioned anywhere? You can check their website.--Lynx Austin 18:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

It's "ALL EXCESS" not "Access"... Just making sure it's spelled corectly...--LockedUpInside

Article is better but needs improvements
Okay, I read the article, and it's pretty decent, far better than what was there previously. First, information about the band should be first in the band history, not in the second paragraph after descriptions of Waking the Fallen and City of Evil. Personally, I'd have "Band HIstory" (and under that, give a history) with subheadings below that for "Member History" and "Album History." It would accomplish a greater sense of organization and professionalism. I won't make any changes because (1) I'm completely incompetent when it comes to Wiki markup language and (2) I'm all for democracy on this, unless we're voting for something entirely stupid. --CanesOL79 04:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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Codes
I think people might want to leave the edits in the code for the chart history and singles history tables to people who actually know what they're doing. I just spent a half hour fixing up the codes. -- Boa Drumm  er   20:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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Organized page.
I messed around with the organization a little bit, the whole huge chunk of text always seemed a bit overwhelming to me. I broke it down into a few smaller topics. If anyone has any issue with that, feel free to comment. -- Boa Drumm  er   18:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yet another genre dispute.
We're having some issues on the page with a particular user, namely User:Mehicdino constantly changing the genre of the band from hard rock/heavy metal to only metal. I think a while back we'd agreed that the genre should be listed as both hard rock and heavy metal. I've warned him a number of times to not change the genre, but my warnings are unnoticed or ignored. Does this call for a sort of reporting for vandalism or something else? -- Boa Drumm  er   05:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It would be better if a link to this discussion can be provided. That way some community consensus can be shown to the users that change the genre or propose to change it. I think if the link cannot be provided then the community should again discuss the genre providing sources where appropriate. Because in the warnings you placed on the talk page you say that a discussion has taken place but no links were provided to the discussion. As this apparently is disputed there should be community consensus as to what genre is to be listed.   Or f e n     User Talk | <font color=#000000> Contribs 00:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Although I know we've had this discussion before, I can't find a record of it, so I think we need to have another consensus. I say that we classify the band as heavy metal and hard rock, since that is what the genre is listed as on the band's official MySpace page. They are also listed as metal/hard rock on their entry in |SEVENFOLD&sql=11:knfqxqekldae~T1 AllMusic, and AOL.com music. MTV.com also lists them as a metalcore band that is trying to shed the -core part of the name. --<B><font face="Trebuchet MS"> Boa Drumm  er  </B> 06:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, A7X should be listed as hard rock, heavy metal and metalcore under genres but be described as a metalcore band in the opening paragraph. This is because, even though A7X are more hard rock and heavy metal than they are metalcore now, the bulk of the material the band has released has been metalcore. City of Evil is still heavily influenced by the band's previous metalcore style, even if it is more hard rock/heavy metal. The metalcore sound is present in all three albums A7X have released, albeit to a small degree in City of Evil, whereas hard rock and heavy metal are practically non-existent before the last album. Chances are, if somebody didn't know what genre Avenged Sevenfold are and had a random playlist of their songs, they would hit one that is metalcore over one that is from City of Evil. There is my argument, I know people will disagree with me because "metalcore" is a bad word and probably considered insulting by some, but I'm a huge fan of metalcore and this band and I believe they should be listed by their most influential style and what they are most known for, which is metalcore. After the band's next album, maybe this could be changed if their sound continues to progress. James25402 15:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I most definitely do agree with this. I'm still trying to figure out a way to get the guy who's constantly changing the genre to stop. --<B><font face="Trebuchet MS"> Boa Drumm  er  </B> 00:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I would say the best way would be to direct them to this current discussion and ask them to participate and if they still do not wish to discuss then perhaps it's best to bring this to the attention of an administrator. I however, would say adding hard rock, heavy metal, and metalcore to the infobox would be best. I also agree with calling them metalcore in the opening paragraph. I also have moved the html note about the genre into the genre part itself of the infobox. <font style="arial: ridge 2px #FF0000;"> <font color=#FF0000> O<font color=#990000>r <font color=#660000>f <font color=#330000>e <font color=#000000>n    <font color=#FF0000> User Talk | <font color=#000000> Contribs 03:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Think about it, we can't just go around calling it "heavy metal" or "hard rock" because that's how the CD came labeled or they label themselves on myspace or because everybody likes calling their favorite band heavy metal because it sounds cool. Heavy metal is "heavy" metal because of "heavy" bass use, something Avenged Sevenfold does not employ. It's metal, but it's not "heavy" metal. I don't care what kind of metal you call it, but I know it's not "heavy" metal, so don't label it as such just because the band likes calling themselves that. They're not the first band to innaccurately call themselves heavy metal because they don't know the difference. I mean, it makes sense that they would too, since who's going to be impressed by a band that simply labels themselves as "metal" because they lost their "core"? They're only using the term because they don't know what it really means and it sounds cool. If Avenged Sevenfold said that suicide is a good thing, would you do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xanofar (talk • contribs) 22:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Avenged Sevenfold doesn't have a genre. Sure, list them as metal and hard rock because most of their music fits somewhat in that genre, but the whole point of the genre section is to identify their lack of a real genre and how they vary between genres so much, due mostly in part to the fact that genres aren't really clear cut groups, there is A LOT of overlap.

Andrew Nutter (talk) 01:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

drug use
in revolver magazine they admited many times that they do drugs and do things with groupies. maybe we should put that in the article...
 * How recent was the article? They've said many times that they've gone back on those statements. --<B><font face="Trebuchet MS"> Boa Drumm  er  </B> 20:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirection of Pinkly Smooth?
Why does the page Pinkly Smooth redirect to Avenged Sevenfold? Theyre are not the same band at all, its Syn's and the Rev's side project. CJDunne89 23:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It redirected because there was nothing relevant on the page. --<B><font face="Trebuchet MS"> Boa Drumm  er  </B> 00:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Genres, again...
Who keeps calling them Heavy Metal? ME!!! ...IM DARK MESSIA If theres one genre I know, it's heavy metal, and Avenged Sevenfold, at least it's City of Evil album, is *not* heavy metal. It's either power metal or speed metal or something else, but it's definatley *not* heavy metal. While heavy metal can be played fast, it's usually slower than this album, but that's not the main point, the main reason is that heavy metal is called "heavy" metal because of it's "heavy" bass use, whereas City of Evil does not do this, and thus, is not heavy metal. Please research genres before changing it. While City of Evil may be of a genre that is an off-shoot of heavy metal, it is not heavy metal itself, and should be more accurately labeled as a different form, I would recomend power or speed metal, but those are just my suggestions.

STOP F@#!ING BAGGING THEM OUT AS@ H#LE

Also, before this, it was labeled as techno/country, which is absolutely the most reciculous thing ever. This page dissappoints me, because it really shows the problems of a website that can be editted by anyone.

Also, I think what the band labels themselves as is irrelevent. Motorhead labels themselves as Rock & Roll, and the Gorillaz are labeled as many, many different genres depending on where you buy one of their CDs from.

Xanofar 19:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps one of the best solutions would be to simply label them as metalcore as they used to, the influences are there, after all, and the label the band uses for themselves is a stretch, at best.

Xanofar 19:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It was agreed months ago as to what the genre should be. It was labeled heavy metal/hard rock, and that's what I've reverted it to. --<B><font face="Trebuchet MS"> Boa Drumm  er  </B> 02:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Prince Of All Saiyans 16:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prince Of All Saiyans (talk • contribs)


 * How bout let's call it "music" and call it a day. And OK I guess the genre section is good to explain how they don't fit in a genre.Andrew Nutter (talk) 01:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

K I recommend the following for each album:

Sounding the Seven Trumpet - Waking the fallen: Metalcore City of Evil: Hard Rock, Speed Metal Self-titled album: Speed Metal, Thrash Metal, Heavy Metal Anybody disagree? RaikiriChidori 03:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Lets leave it at the agreed genres. Inhumer (talk) 01:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * - Agreed, leave it as it is. --Louis EX (talk) 06:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * errn,.. fuck guys, Avenge Sevenfold is pure death metal. Even M Shadow admitted this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.150.240 (talk) 18:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok,are you guys out of your minds?Death metal,thrash metal,speed metal?Avenged sevenfold were never any of these,first of all,they don't even have distorted guitars,nor does m. shadows death growl,so they're not death metal,second of all,there not all that fast,they are definetely not speed metal.And what the fuck,how is their self-titled album thrash metal,have you ever listened to thrash metal.Slayer,megadeth,anthrax,and (once)metallica.Avenged sevenfold do not sound like either of these.They are influenced by metalllica,but that doesn't make them thrash,in fact their not even metal,they were metalcore on their first and second albums.But city of evil is just hard rock,and their self titled album is definetely not metal,damnit,have you listened to dear god and a little piece of heaven,they're not metal,critical acclaim is the only song on that album that could even be considered metal,almost easy is hard rock,afterlife is somewhat softer,dear god is a country rock song,and a little piece of a heaven sounds like panic at the disco,so i'd label it pop.Seriously,what the hell,you really need to research metal more if you think avenged sevenfold is metal.4.235.189.149 (talk) 01:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Death metal? "Even M Shadow admitted this!" any references? By the way, interviews are not reliable source and they are not death metal. Hard rock, Heavy metal & Metalcore are just fine.--Jpkmaster (talk) 16:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

A7X Not releasing all songs
Avenged Sevenfold Made about 30 songs but only put 10 on the Cd that just came out October 28 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.166.113 (talk) 00:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Genesis 4:15
Made a minor change to the section talking about the origin of the band's name - there was a slight logical flaw. As worded, it said (paraphrasing) "The man who killed Cain would be avenged sevenfold." The essence of the Bible verse is that CAIN will be avenged sevenfold, not the man who kills him. In other words, Cain's killer will be killed seven times. Applejuicefool (talk) 20:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Crossroads - Single
Hey I noticed that the single "Crossroads" was not on this page surprisingly so I tried to add it and I think I kinda screwed it up so sorry about that but if anyone does know how to do that I would appreciate it if they would put "Crossroads" on there. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 11watkins (talk • contribs) 05:52, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

"Crossroads" Single...i fixed it :)
Hey i think i just fixed that whole crossroads thing but there is still no article about the song on wikipedia altogether so if anyone can get that up there than that would be great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 11watkins (talk • contribs) 06:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Crossroads wikipedia article
hey i just started a new article about the Crossroads (Single) (i think that link will take you to the page) but anyway i didn't do a very efficient job at it because i dont kno much about it so if someone wants to go on it and fix it up a bit id appreciate that alot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 11watkins (talk • contribs) 06:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, as someone who came across this page in a 'six degrees' kind of way, I'm wondering what the justification behind having an entire sub-title about 'screaming' is for this article. Not criticising the band in any way, just was wondering if that section could be cleaned up to specific albums/songs etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Very neant (talk • contribs) 16:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

No distortion?
Can somebody who claims Avenged Sevenfold don't use heavy distortion please give me a sensible argument of why they can't come under the genre of heavy metal? I've seen it written several times as a reason why Avenged Sevenfold are hard rock, I personally think they use elements of both. They don't use heavy distortion throughout their entire songs, that I will admit, but they do use heavy distortion in almost all of their City of Evil songs onwards for at least parts of the song, some for most of the song and some for only part, just as they did in their metalcore days. Even Seize the Day, towards the end of the song, has some heavy distortion coming in. How heavy does the "heavy distortion" really have to be to be considered heavy metal? Because Avenged Sevenfold are sure as hell leaps and bounds heavier than so-called hard rock bands like Bon Jovi, Van Halen, Aerosmith and tons of others that I can't be bothered to list for at least parts of all their songs. James25402 (talk) 10:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

People can't handle the fact that a band they may not like is still a metal band, because they're elitist nerds that no one with a brain ever pays attention to. It's just the way it is.24.125.253.129 (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Whoever said that is an idiot. Two facts bear to mind. 1) Avenged Sevenfold does have pretty heavy distortions on their guitars. To say otherwise... is hearing what you WANT to hear. You're delusional if you don't think so. and 2) early heavy metal bands such as Motorhead, Deep Purple, Bang, etc. didn't really have heavy distortions either and in the 80s a lot of bands got away with being labeled metal while having relatively thin guitars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.156.166.47 (talk) 21:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

The band members trivia
who here thinks this should have there real names on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A7x008 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't really think it's relevant to anything, so I've left it off in the past. I don't think it needs to be on here. --<B><font face="Trebuchet MS"> Boa Drumm  er  </B> 17:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone got basically out of hand with the genres.

Avenged Sevenfold's early material is not post. Post         is stuff like Thursday, Chiodos, ect. Basically taking emo/        punk and adding a slight experimental edge to it. Avenged Sevenfold's first album is pretty straightforward metalcore. Chug guitars,         punk influence, breakdowns, and screamed vocals. There really shouldn't be any debate. Their "mid-career" was more or less metalcore with groove metal influence. City of evil was basically hard rock/metal and their new album the same. A7X have never been nor ever will be Nu metal. If I can't even hear the bassline in their songs it's not nu-metal. Christ every time a metal bands begins to get popular someone has to go and drop the word "nu". It's stupidity is what it is. I'm not going to even comment on the power metal tag. That's basically just unquestionably wrong. Anyone with a basic knowledge of heavy metal knows this. So I'm changing the tags to something more appropriate: Metalcore Hard rock Groove metal

Eve Not Adam
It says that one of the songs is in refernece to Adam eating the apple.... it was Eve who ate the apple. Thats going to bug me forever as long as that stays there. SamJamGoose (talk) 20:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It's still there. They both ate from the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, which was not mentioned to be an apple. If you don't take my word for it, check the Bible. 129.137.159.241 (talk) 15:24, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

i guess both of you are talking about the lyrics to The Wicked End? it goes, " Dust the apple off, savor each bite, [and] deep inside you adam was right". it seems to be saying to rejoice in your wicked actions even though you know its wrong. i guess its in the prospective of Eve —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.182.144.23 (talk) 06:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Ex-Members and Logo
Just a note. I don't know much about this band at all. I came to this page for two reasons... One, I wanted to find out what happened to the girl who used to be in the band, and Two, to see if there was any information on the "winged skull" logo that is tattooed onto the bodies of hundreds of fans. Can't see mention of either. 80.42.227.177 (talk) 12:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I never thought about the Death Bat up to this point, that should really be in here, and as far as the girl goes, she wasn't a member of the band, she is Valary Di Benedetto and she used to be the manager and she only screamed on one song The Art Of Subconscious Illusion. Well she also does the scream at the beginning of Scream. NTurner —Preceding unsigned comment added by NTurner42 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Valary is M. Shadow's fiance, she is also in the video seize the day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.182.144.23 (talk) 06:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Nightmare
http://p1.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http://soundcloud.com/avengedsevenfold/nightmare/s-ukl9y&amp;auto_play=false&amp;player_type=tiny&amp;font=Arial&amp;color=026691&remote_addr=88.106.69.92&referer=   New single, may 18th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathbat RTS (talk • contribs) 16:23, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Instruments
Is it necessary to list every instrument they play? At the most recent live shows, Shadows has only sang, and on occasion, he's played piano. Syn only plays lead guitar and backing vocals. Zacky V isn't playing piano, nor is Rev. It honestly looks strange to see all of A7X having piano/keyboard as an instrument they play. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have piano dueling. If you were to correct it, it would look good to say (sorry I don't know how to format it but I'll do my best)

* The Rev- Drums, Backing Vocals (Now deceased) (Hittingray (talk) 12:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC))
 * Kyle Slaybaugh- Lead Vocals, Piano (That's the one thing you missed.) (Hittingray (talk) 12:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC))
 * Synyster Gates- Lead Guitar, Backing Vocals
 * Zacky Vengance- Rhythm Guitar, Acoustic Guitar, Backing Vocals
 * Johnny Christ- Bass Guitar, Backing Vocals

Genre...
lets get this straight nice and simple sounding the seventh trumpet and waking the fallen is obviously metalcore. city of evil hard rock metal. and the self titled the same. A7x also uses samples of punk and pop but mainly metal THEY SOUND NOTHING LIKE TRIVIUM more like bullet for my valentine —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.237.86 (talk) 12:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to say that I have no idea where you people are getting heavy metal from. The absolute CLOSEST Avenged gets to metal is probably alternative MAYBE in Scream and probably Unbound. Zacky V himself states Afterlife is pop rock. Everything else is hard rock on the self titled. They haven't done metalcore since the 2001-2004 or whenever they toured for Waking the Fallen.

Also there's some serious unecessary and inaccurate name dropping in the article. Early releases sounding like Bullet for my Valentine and TRIVIUM? I can understand some similarities between A7x and B4MV but TRIVIUM? Trivium is on the complete opposite side of the spectrum to A7x. Saying that they have ANYTHING in common is fairly inaccurate. Very biased article that would misinform the reader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TapOut 013 (talk • contribs) 02:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * At the risk of sounding like I'm picking a fight here, I would say that a large section of the metal community (myself included) consider trivium bfmv avenged 7fold and others like them to be "pussy metal" and have many features in common. ie deliberately targeting teens, going for marketability, selling on their image, writing highly contrived songs (eg trivium's attrocious "audience sing along" section on we are the fire or whatever it was called). I'm not saying I don't like any of these bands' music, just that they're really not that different, and none of them are listed as metal in my media player. 86.133.163.20 (talk) 13:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Just about every media player has heavy metal and every sub-genre of heavy metal as Rock or Alternative Rock. Also you may consider metalcore as a lighter genre but it is equally as heavy sometimes. If you listen to STST (A7X) some of the songs are very heavy, but seriously, every band has a few soft songs so saying is calling bands like BMTH or Cannibal Corpse "pussy metal" as well. (Hittingray (talk) 11:35, 26 May 2010 (UTC))

Just because they aren't metal anymore (which they are, I'm being hypothetical) doesn't mean the genre should be removed. If they are or have at any point been that genre, it needs to be on that list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.17.22 (talk) 02:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to genres.63.3.17.130 (talk) 23:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)Bobit1363.3.17.130 (talk) 23:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia in general doesn't know **** about genres.--89.46.14.67 (talk) 13:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

The genre of heavy metal is open to dispute alot. One thing to remember all the time with 'metal' is that it is more than just a heavier version of rock. Metal drew from Rock, but also draws some qualities from classical and blues that rock did not. When listening to metal, you should notice that it differs from rock more then just on fullness of sound, speed, and/or intensity (sorry for sounding so official). When it is just heavier than rock, it's usually called 'alternative metal' or 'nu metal', note that alternative metal was named as an alternative to metal rather then metal, and nu metal was named as a new genre similar to metal but not being metal. When it lacks the other qualities and draws directly from punk rock its called 'hardcore' (when it does have those qualities its usually considered thrash metal). I'm no expert on avenged sevenfold because I only have one of their albums, but I hope some of you will take some consideration of this. 16:47, 30 May 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.6.101 (talk)

Actually Scream is originally a punk (hardcore) trait and not metal. They like Bullet For My Valentine, Linkin Park & Similar are not Heavy Metal (and sub genres - power, thrash, death, black, progressive etc) but they are Nu Metal. Nu Metal is something that takes influence from the later success of Heavy Metal (Iron Maiden of late 80 - early 90s, Metallica, Faith No More etc) and combines it with other musics of the time. Imagewise Nu Metal followed more a Hardcore punk image as it was more acceptable to the masses of the time.

That's correct. Many people say that nü metal isn't metal because it's completely different than other metal genres. Nü metal bands also tend to draw from different fanbases and tend to become more mainstream than the others. I think nü metal evolved directly out of traditional heavy metal, that's why it's so different from other genres. The other genres mixed and influenced eachother as they developed, which makes sense because they have more of the same fanbase. Now all (or most) of the people who love the other metal genres don't consider nü metal a 'metal' genre. It may have drawn from heavy metal, but it also draws from hip hop and grunge. It's kind of like the other genres make up a solid continent like Africa and nü metal is an island on the side like madagascar. While most people consider madagascar part of the African continent, Africans probably feel like it's not a real member of the continent because it's not connected with everyone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.6.101 (talk) 13:39, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Slipknot = Nu Metal and I don't think you could not classify them as heavy metal. And I would consider BFMV as metal, have you actually listened to their stuff? Go listen to Linking Park's heaviest song then like Waking The Demon. You will see a large difference. And though Nu metal does draw from other genres you can barely even tell when listening to it, I believe bands like Korn and Slipknot are Nu. I would very much consider BFMV as metalcore. (Hittingray (talk) 11:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC))

GENRE
Their genres are NOT pop rock, country, hip hop, world, jazz, soundtrack or comedy! Their early stuff are a sound of sounding like Bullet For My Valentine's vocals a little. They are not metalcore anymore. They are heavy metal and hard rock.

Thier genre is Rock/Pop. When you walk into the cd department of your local store that's where you will find them. Your options for genre are Rock/Pop, Country, Rap/Hip-Hop, World, Jazz, Soundtrack and Comedy.

@ The person above, the person below me is correct. It just may be where you live that's what it is as they don't have a "heavy metal" section, as it is not a popular genre and most places don't stock heavy metal CDs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hittingray (talk • contribs) 04:05, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Their genres are:
 * Metalcore
 * Post-hardcore (early)
 * Alternative Metal (later)
 * Progressive Metal

If anyone disagrees, just say so here. DUDE whoever wrote this bio on them is not very accurate. My opinion, I think, is accurate and breif so here, Sounding the 7th trumpet and Waking the Fallen were badass hardrock/metal and their new music suckscus they are now pop and anti-scream. GAY, old skool avenged ruled,. --<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3"> ↑ɻ⅞θʉɭ ђɥл₮₴Ṝ  23:49, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, they definitely used a form of heavy metal on City of Evil, as well as to a degree on Avenged Sevenfold. James25402 (talk) 10:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the person above me. And they are not anti-scream and pop. There IS a degree of metal in the self titled album but not much, though I believe they may be going back to the heaviness of "City of Evil" as their latest single "Nightmare" was heavier than every song on the self titled. (Hittingray (talk) 11:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC))

It should say on the main page, "Avenged Sevenfold is an American heavy metal / hard rock band from Orange Hills, California." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yankeefan921 (talk • contribs) 03:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC) While I don't personally feel they qualify as heavy metal overall, I will for one acknowledge that City of Evil had enough of a metal influence to warrant mentioning it in the info box. Metalcore doesn't fit, because not everything that in -some- way blends metal and hardcore is metalcore. Sludge metal bands often blend the two, yet they're not classed as metalcore. Personally, I'd say "post-hardcore" and some kind of "rock" tag are suitable, as is a basic "heavy metal" tag to go with their later works, I suppose. Prophaniti (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I would say their Genres are Metalcore, Heavy Metal, Alternative Metal, Hard Rock and on their new album M.Shadows stated that it will be Progressive Metal. On the first two albums they were Metalcore, before that they were a post-hardcore band, on City of Evil they made half the songs Speed Metal and half the songs more Heavy Metal. The Self-Titled album was Hard Rock with Critical Acclaim being Heavy Metal and showing actually a little bit of a Nu-Metal sound in "A Little Piece Of Heaven". They are not and never were Post-Hardcore! Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 12:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * They don't have any Metalcore in them anymore. So someone tell me why Avenged Sevenfold should still be considered as such. Where the f*** do you see Nu-Metal in there ? Nu-Metal was an umbrella term for late 90's elitists to put everything that wasn't "true to the spirit of metal and steel" in the same basket. Speed Metal doesn't even exist anymore, it's either thrash or power. They are Heavy Metal and Thrash Metal to some degree. Honestly, it should be their sole niches. Those are their main influences anyway. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * By the way, I'll be removing "Post-Hardcore" from the genre section on the page, because it is irrelevant to place Avenged Sevenfold in a genre with which they have strictly nothing in common. If you see how Avenged Sevenfold fits with From First To Last, Glassjaw or Enter Shikari, please do tell. I'll be happy to leave alone then. Just because they cater to the same crowds don't mean they are the same genres.PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Might I correct something here? The opening states "Avenged Sevenfold is an American hard rock band formed in Huntington Beach, California...", I have great discomfort on keeping that since they sang mostly metal (metalcore, and recently, Heavy Metal) and almost no Hard Rock. Please dub them Heavy Metal (or at least metal) on the opening paragraph.-- F-22 Raptor IV 04:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree on the genre being metalcore, heavy metal, and hard rock. I would say metalcore, heavy metal, and alternative metal. I would call the first two albums metalcore, City of Evil heavy metal, and the self-titled album alternative metal. There are songs on that album that I would consider alternative metal, and the more hardcore songs Critical Acclaim (Metalcore) and Almost Easy (Heavy Metal) even out the less hardcore songs, like Unbound (The Wild Ride) (Heavy Metal) and Brompton Cocktail (Heavy Metal).

Anyways if you are wondering, these are what I consider are the genres for each song:

1. Critical Acclaim: Metalcore

2. Almost Easy: Thrash Metal

3. Scream: Alternative Metal

4. Afterlife: Alternative Metal

5. Gunslinger: Heavy Metal

6. Unbound (The Wild Ride): Heavy Metal

7. Brompton Cocktail: Heavy Metal

8. Lost: Heavy Metal

9. A Little Piece of Heaven: Nu Metal

10. Dear God: Country Rock (=/) Zxcvghjk (talk) 21:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Meh, I wouldn't think that their latest album is metalcore, Critical Acclaim is not as intenese as some of their other songs like Darkness Surrounding. Anyway, back to my argument. The opening statement I think should say that they are a metal band (metalcore, heavy metal) I don't care. They are not very Hard Rock-- F-22 Raptor IV 22:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, well I was trying to say that the latest album is alternative metal. Zxcvghjk (talk) 01:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I would like to discuss this, because I just don't want to make another edit to get attention. I'm saying overall, that Avenged Sevenfold is most, and if not, all of the heavy metal genre. I am not very sure on how hard rock got involved. Maybe in their latest albums, they did produce a few hard rock songs. But that does not make them a hard rock band like that. Regardless of my arguments with Zxcvghjk about specific albums, Metalcore and Alternative Metal are all subgenres of Heavy Metal.-- F-22 Raptor IV 00:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I was just saying that the self-titled was alternative metal. I agree that overall, they are heavy metal. Zxcvghjk (talk) 20:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Heres how to break it down. On the first two demos that the band made, their genre was, Hardcore Punk. On the demo of Waking The Fallen, they changed their sound to Metalcore. They keep their genres as Metalcore from Warmness on the Soul, to Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, and Waking the Fallen. On City of Evil the band made a move towards Hard Rock, but they added features of Heavy Metal, so it became a mix of Heavy Metal & Hard Rock. Lastly, their latest album can't be classified as one distinct genre according to this interview:

Avenged Sevenfold interview w/Prime Video Magazine

But if the album had to be clasified, I'd say the closest thing it would be is, probably ALt. Metal/Hard Rock. The same goes for LBC. Bobit13 18:15, 7 February 2009 (UTC)Bobit13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobit13 (talk • contribs)


 * Since everyone can't really agree on this whole genre thing regarding the overall band, whether it is hard rock or metal, I have made them just rock, I probably should've mentioned this a little earlier.-- F-22 Raptor IV 20:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I would say that their first two albums are Screamo, CoE Metalcore and The selftitled Heavy Metal... Please follow the links and read why--Arneandre (talk) 20:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * We have decided that the title will remain rock because of debate.-- F-22 Raptor IV 23:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I think that it'd make more sense if it said Alternative Metal instead of Hard Rock, since the self-titled album still had some elements of metal in it, songs like Critical Acclaim and Afterlife for example. Zxcvghjk (talk) 21:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

"the band has chosen to abandon the metalcore genre, developing a more punk metal/thrash style, very much like bands such as Bullet for My Valentine and Trivium." Surely it's a bad idea, if you're saying that the band has abandoned the metalcore genre to then compare theeir newer sound to two metalcore bands? 62.254.12.119 (talk) 00:17, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Most of the sources point out that their newest album contains elements of hard rock and heavy metal. Do you have any sources to back you up?-- F-22 Raptor IV 01:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I changed my minded, A7X is more like hard orck, they even said in an interview that they went more towards the rock genre in the newest album. Zxcvghjk (talk) 14:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I dont see A7X as being heavy metal. metal, yes but not heavy metal. There may be elements of heavy metal in a few of their songs but this doesnt mean that the band are Heavy metal overall. Mr Deathbat (talk) 08:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Their new album may have had a hard rock influence on it, but Avenged Sevenfold is still a metal band more than anything else! i don't see why people have to argue this so much because if you really listen to the music and the riffing they still use a lot of metal techniques as oppose to hard rock. A7X IS A METAL BAND. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrunchPuff (talk • contribs) 00:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Rock is a broad term that includes metal, hardcore, and alternative metal. If a genre is heavily disputed like this, it may be best to call it rock until a more steady agreement is reached. Obviously, A7x looks more like metal than simple rock to most people. It's heavily influenced by metal, but is not metal. It belongs to a subgenre that is influenced by metal, whether thats hardcore or alternative metal (or both) I'm not entirely sure. It should not be classified as heavy metal because hardcore and alternative metal aren't heavy metal anyway. If they were thrash metal, power metal, death metal, black metal, celtic metal, doom metal, etc it would be a different story. It's like calling the beatles a blues band, they use blues influences in their music and some of their songs can be called blues, but they're part of a genre thats influenced by blues rather than blues itself because their music is generally way different from other blues artists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.6.101 (talk) 21:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know where you are getting your information from, but (to me, at least) you are coming off as a metal elitist. Everyone knows that the stereotypical 'metalhead' does not consider metalcore, nu metal, alternative metal, etc. as 'true' metal, but for encyclopaedic purposes, those genres are all sub-genres of heavy metal, so trying to argue otherwise is inaccurate. James25402 (talk) 10:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Metal draws on elements from blues and classical music that regualar rock music does not, so thats why i dont consider alternative and metalcore stuff to be metal. I just think if we can change 'heavy metal' to 'alternative metal' on there it would be more accurate. Up there I was just saying why avenged sevenfold doesn't meet heavy metal criteria as much as it meets alternative metal, and what I said about that was accurate was it not? It would satisfy the greater population to have the term 'heavy metal' changed to 'alternative metal' because we can all be satisfied with that. I'm not a metal elitist, don't worry. I like deathcore more than most genres of metal anyway.


 * Metalcore is, to simplify it, a combination of hardcore music and heavy metal. Therefore, to argue metalcore does not draw on elements of blues and classical music is inaccurate. The emphasis is not necessarily on these elements as these bands have other influences from hardcore punk to display as well, but most metalcore bands do draw on elements of blues and (to a lesser degree) classical music. I do not believe Avenged Sevenfold fit alternative metal at all and most sources attribute the band's later material to some form of heavy metal. James25402 (talk) 09:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough, heavy metal it is. I just wanted to see if you thought they were alternative metal because I'm not good at making that distinction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.6.101 (talk) 13:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm just gonna go ahead and agree these guys have no business being classified as anything close to metal. However imo they do classify as hard rock, metalcore, and what was listed above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TapOut 013 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Thier genre is Rock/Pop. When you walk into the cd department of your local store that's where you will find them. Your options for genre are Rock/Pop, Country, Rap/Hip-Hop, World, Jazz, Soundtrack and Comedy. One guy on here even broke down each song into it's own genre!!--Brian Earl Haines (talk) 17:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Do what Wikipedia editors always should do, go by what reliable sources say not your opinion. Look at the stories on The Rev's death by reliable mainstream media media and reliable music publications/journalists to see how they describe them. It is ok in the lead sentence to say "are a metalcore/hard rock" are a a "act that evolved from Metalcore to hard rock" etc. 15:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Alright what the hell is the deal with all the genre fighting? It's music. Who cares? Stop being so specific anyway, there's metal and rock and screamo and classic rock and country and like jazz and some shit. Anyone who is that strung out on genres to go as far as nu metal or whatever the fuck seriously needs a life.

After listening to the latest album(Nightmare), I believe that in some songs they have brought back some of their metalcore sound, some of it is even heavier than their previously heaviest, so I thought changing metalcore to "metalcore(early, recent)" is a good idea? Scottckr (talk) 21:12, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Alright let's get this straight. Do you know what hard rock is? Do you know what heavy metal is? A7x fall under none of those genres. They are a metalcore / alt metal band. Period.--89.46.14.67 (talk) 13:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

matt wendt
who the hell is matt wendt? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.95.140.215 (talk) 01:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Matt Wendt was Avenged Sevenfold's original bassist, he only recorded on the early demos though. NTurner42 —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Are there any references for this ? PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * A reference is the "All Excess" dvd a few years back by Avenged Sevenfold. Zacky talks about the inception of the band and Matt Wendt.ThickerThanWater19 (talk) 07:38, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Would it be right if i were to put matt wendt in the former members section in the info box Mr Deathbat (talk) 14:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Discography: Diamonds in the Rough
The link for Diamonds in the Rough in the Discography section of the Avenged Sevenfold page directs to the professional wrestling stable "The Diamonds in the Rough." I don't think it should be leading there...I'm just saying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bspinebuster (talk • contribs) 01:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Credited for renewing interest in hard rock/heavy metal?
They are highly credited for bringing the traditional hard rock/heavy metal sound (that bands like Guns N' Roses and Metallica created) back to the public eye.

Would someone care to back this statement up with a citation? As far as I can see, a great deal of people still don't like the band due to their metalcore past and the fact they are pretty mainstream for a metal band, while a great deal of the band's detractors still believe the band have nothing to do with traditional heavy metal. I like the band, but it seems that a statement like this cannot go unsupported.

Also, how exactly did Guns N' Roses and Metallica create the (or even A) traditional hard rock/heavy metal sound? Surely that would be bands like Deep Purple, AC/DC, Thin Lizzy, Black Sabbath... Making unsubstanstiated claims like this make the article look weaker. Metallica were never a traditional hard rock/heavy metal band, even though their sound from the early-late 90s resembled this style more than anything else. While they were closer to heavy metal than anything else, their form of heavy metal had more to do with slowed down thrash metal riffs than actual heavy metal. Their supposed 'hard rock' also had a great deal of influence from alternative music. James25402 (talk) 19:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC) Someone said they were pop rock. That would give them the same genre as the Jonas Brothers. They sound totally different so I changed the sentence stating that they were. Please don't vandalise the page like that! Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 12:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Erm.... Isn't saying "a lot of people don't like the band" and then calling the band mainstream a bit contradictory? 96.39.166.159 (talk) 20:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Honestly, even though a reference would be a good idea, Avenged Sevenfold AND OTHERS are part of a batch of bands who brought back the heavier kinds of metal to the mainstream. You didn't hear much double-bass and drop-tuning on commercial radio before 2005 and City Of Evil kinda got out in the right time-frame. Around the same time Bullet For My Valentine, Bleeding Through, et al. all got an album out that rode the wave that Avenged Sevenfold started. Even earlier, Killswitch Engage and all the Massachusetts scene already had got some excellent coverage from major labels and publications. Those American bands should be credited with the return of metal in the mainstream and unfortunately for some, Avenged Sevenfold was one of the most visible. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, a reference is not just a good idea, it is a necessity. At present those statements are just one editors opinion. It also says in the article that they are important and influential, giving a reference that says nothing of the kind. I'm not a big fan of the band, so I'd rather not make too many edits for fear of sounding POV. But could someone sort out a couple of references? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.163.20 (talk) 13:39, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Diamonds in the Rough
Why hasn't anyone put the diamonds in the rough on the discography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddr-freak101 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC) It was but someone removed it! BlueGoat (talk) 13:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well frankly, it doesn't belong there because that isn't an actual album, just a bunch of B-sides. Zxcvghjk (talk) 21:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Bassist Johnny Christ
He is the third bassist, unless I'm mistaken. Not the fourth, which it is listed under the Inception category under history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antmanx24 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * According to the current information relating to this mysterious "Matt Wendt" he seems to be the fourth. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Matt Wendt was on the All Excess DVD when they talk about the inception of the band. Johnny is the 4th bassist. ThickerThanWater19 (talk) 07:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Recent Single
editsemiprotected In the single's section,a single should be added. Avenged Sevenfold has come out with a recent single titled "Crossroads"
 * ✅ Please consider the benifits registering an account. Best,  Hi DrNick ! 20:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

New album planned
When Avenged Sevenfold recently played at my college, UCF, they announced that they'd be taking time off in the future to work on their next studio album. Should this be in the article? I don't have any solid sources, just what M Shadows said on stage that night. --CanesOL79 (talk) 08:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It should not, because hearsay is not a solid reference by Wikipedia's standards. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 03:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Why not? If M. Shadows himself made the statement, it shouldn't be classifyed as heresay. 174.31.43.105 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:16, 29 March 2011 (UTC).

PICTURE
Somebody needs to change this picture of Avenged Sevenfold... In my boredom I check this page at least five times a week and I just want to see new (and better) picture!!!WaltDaMan (talk) 18:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with that, It is such a lame picture, and it has been up September, the earliest I saw it.-- F-22 Raptor IV 01:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I would change the picture but i don't know how to Mr Deathbat (talk) 14:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Wrong about Gigantour
""The band is also linked to with a slot on this summer's Gigantour. A Revolution In Sound will be available to download and purchase on February 16, 2009, with the track, "Paranoid".""

this statement should be removed unless proof is supplied, the drummer and bassist for Megadeth have said Avenged Sevenfold WILL NOT be on gigantour anytime soon in an interview that can be found on Blabbermouth.net —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.110.20 (talk) 00:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Irony in genre section
Has anyone else noticed the line "On City of Evil, Avenged Sevenfold's third album, the band has chosen to abandon the metalcore genre, developing a more punk metal/thrash style, very much like bands such as Bullet for My Valentine and Trivium." That sounds very ironic to me. Those bands are metalcore and we are saying that by abandoning Metalcore A7X became more like those bands? Can someone fix this odd statement? KezianAvenger (talk) 02:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't see why we need that in the article when it is unsupported, but I disagree that this statement is contradictory. Trivium are a combination of metalcore/thrash metal and Bullet (according to wikipedia, at least) are a combination of metalcore/heavy metal. I'd tend to think that Bullet are more a combination of metalcore/thrash/heavy metal, but with a slight edge towards being metalcore (although their latest album has a lot more of the latter two styles than their first release). Either way, A7X, Trivium and Bullet all went from being simply metalcore bands to incorporating other styles into the mix and drastically cutting down the use of the metalcore style. James25402 (talk) 21:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Chainsaw/New Song Hoax=
Pretty sure this is a hoax, only ONE person has mentioned it on their myspace, I have them added was on all day today and NEVER saw anything about it.

"On April 16, 2009, new Avenged Sevenfold song titled "Unwind the Chainsaw" was embedded onto the band's website, by surprising fans with a preview of the song. Fans got a chance to hear the song stream, while they browsed the site. Avenged Sevenfold guitarist had a conversation with fans on the band's official MySpace profile, claiming the title to be "Unwind the Chainsaw". The song is said to be released on the upcoming Avenged Sevenfold album." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.110.20 (talk) 02:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Avenged sevenfold is from Memphis, Tennessee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.150.36.225 (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No Avenged Sevenfold are from Huntingdon Beach, California. Mr Deathbat (talk) 09:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I saw a youtube video of them performing a preview of Unwind The Chainsaw live XxPapaRoach315xX —Preceding undated comment added 04:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC).

Three days grace?
The way this is stated sounds incredibly retarded. "No reps have got back to us on this" Why would that be in the article.

On April 20, 2009, frontman of Canadian band Three Days Grace was said to be in the studio with Matt. Adam Gontier of Three Days Grace has wrote "In the studio with Matt from A7X...sweet!". No reps have got back to us on this, but it was said on Adam's official Bebo profile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatDarnBandit (talk • contribs) 06:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

This Sounds Pretty B.A. Stan Fryman (talk) 17:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Rock band
Avenged Sevenfold should be considered a "rock band" on the run-on in the article, for one, heavy metal is simply a subgenre of rock music. For two, it's mostly opinionated, and newcoming editors continuously changing "rock" to "heavy metal" is getting rather annoying. For the most part websites such as about.com has claimed them as "moving away from heavy metal and more into hard rock" even in the allmusic review for A7X's sefl-titled album has claimed them as "pushing songs from the album into the non-metal territory". Avenged Sevenfold should be refered to as a "rock band", nothing more, nothing less. -- GunMetal Angel  15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree. By saying 'moving away from heavy metal and more into hard rock' could simply mean more than in the past. It does not in any way say that Avenged Sevenfold are more of a hard rock band than a heavy metal band. There are plenty of other sources which would disagree with this, too.


 * While you are correct that 'rock band' would be more neutral, I have yet to see any evidence that Avenged Sevenfold are regarded in the media as a rock band anywhere near as much as a metal band. Two of the bands main genres, heavy metal and metalcore, are metal genres as well. I would advise we change the opening to metal, as a great deal of the band's detractors hate the band for previously being 'metalcore', which is what a lot of people still associate with the band. Plain and simple. James25402 (talk) 11:34, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Metalcore and heavy metal are not two of the band's main genres. The traces of metalcore died out when their third album City of Evil was released. More accordingly hard rock and heavy metal are the two main genres of Avenged Sevevnfold, and upon all this is still all opinions while reliable sources such as about.com or allmusic has confirmed their hard rock traces as for heavy metal, only about 3 or 4 songs from their latest album can be considered metal, and even so, heavy metal is plainly a subgenre of rock music. - GunMetal Angel

Yeah, but so if the first three albums were all completely metal with the self titled being the only one which could be consider slighty more hard rock influenced (even though i would still consider it metal) that means the majority of their work would be metal so they should be referred to as a metal band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrunchPuff (talk • contribs) 00:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Even songs from City of Evil can be considered hard rock in general, but yes, there's no denying that a majority of the songs are from heavy metal charateristics (especially "Beast and the Harlot") although the whole general term for a "rock band" should apply to a band such as this. And this article isn't just by itself, I mean, look at Disturbed, almost everything that they have made is considered metal, but the lead stays as a "rock band". • GunMetal Angel  00:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes and i think that disturbed should be changed too. and you always change my stuff back but who are you to be the one to say what goes up there and what doesnt? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrunchPuff (talk • contribs) 23:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Removal of the "Band name and lyrical content" section
Currently, the section has no reliable sources, and exclusively uses original research. Third party, reliable sources need to have reported on the lyrical content for it to meet encyclopedic standards. Most of the information can be implemented in other sections -- particularly in pages for the respective songs -- but on its own, the section doesn't add anything. I've done some rewriting on the page, and included the origination of the band name in the "Inception" section. I'm removing the section. Svernon19 (talk) 01:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Nomination
I have looked at the guide lines for nominating an article for GA and I think this can pass. Anyone object to it being nominated? KezianAvenger (talk) 20:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * A word of advice: Get to work on the article now. It is near the quick fail criteria. There are some unreliable sources within the article and many many many unsourced statements, the lead is too small, and there is some info that can be removed plus some new needs to be added. I like the band and would rather this not fail a GA nomination. So if you don't want it to fail, I suggest getting to work because in the current state, I would quick fail it if I was to take up the review.-- Will C  12:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Fix of Grammar
In the first paragraph, after the TOC box (or whatever it is), this is posted: "...although it is not a religious band."

Shouldn't the "it is" be changed to "they are"?

P.S. I can't edit the article, hence why I am asking. 72.75.198.51 (talk) 00:59, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Missing Album
Waking the Fallen Is the second album by Avenged Sevenfold. The album was released on August 26, 2003 by Hopeless Records. It is the last Avenged Sevenfold album to feature their metalcore sound, although there are much more clean vocals on this album than their first release, Sounding the Seventh Trumpet. Waking the Fallen was Avenged Sevenfold's first album to feature Johnny Christ on bass as well as the first to feature the full current line-up, after Daemon Ash's Departure. The album was certified gold on July 15, 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_the_Fallen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.17.101.186 (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Biblical Stance/References?
I was wondering if people would consider working on a section with the information about their Biblical References...both in their songs, band member names, and even the name Avenged Sevenfold.

I know they claim to have no religious ties, but it'd be interesting to have a section about the religious aspects discussed in their songs and the background on their band in relation to religion. -- Huper Phuff <font color="#D4A017">talk  00:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay I re-added the section under Musical Characteristics that talked about the band name and lyrical content...I think it serves and important purpose in the article. It might have been lost when the article was vandalized :\ -- Huper Phuff <font color="#D4A017">talk  00:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

New live DVD?
I read a new live DVD in the article but I can't find any information on this on youtube or on some search engines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.225.47 (talk) 20:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have a source for this new live DVD? I'm removing it until someone has a source. KezianAvenger (talk) 11:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, looks like unconfirmed rumour at best - definitely not article-worthy at this point, if it even exists at all. ~ mazca  talk 20:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Instrument Cleanup
Is it absolutely necessary to list all of the instruments the band members are capable of playing? I can understand listing them all on their individual page, but not the A7X page, unless, they have recently played the instrument live or on an album, and not 8 years ago. I think the new description should be like this


 * M.Shadows- Lead vocals, piano
 * Synyster Gates- Lead guitar, backing vocals
 * Zacky Vengance- Rhythm guitar, acoustic guitar, backing vocals
 * Johnny Christ- Bass guitar, acoustic bass, backing vocals
 * The Rev- Drums, percussion, backing vocals —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.167.241.26 (talk) 01:58, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

On December 28th, 2009, James Owen Sullivan aka "The Rev", was found dead in his home. An autopsy was scheduled the following day. The results of that autopsy were released as inconclusive, so several more tests have been requested, which will take several weeks to complete. Meanwhile, no funeral arrangements have been made.UGA Wantagh (talk) 04:41, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

The death of The Rev section
This section has a typo on the date of the Kerrang! magazine published featuring the article on the death of Jimmy Sullivan is states the article was published on January 13, 2009 instead of 2010 XxPapaRoach315xX


 * Also, some of the quotes are missing proper punctuation/lacking consistency with quotation mark usage. There's a missing one in the 2nd quote. And if you're going to use it to encapsulate entire quotes for one of them you might as well do it for all of them and change any internals to the single ' mark. -Dean —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeanLo (talk • contribs) 14:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Studio Members
Joey Jordison is NOT drumming on their next record, Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater is. This was confirmed on both Avenged Sevenfold's official website and Mike Portnoys official forums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Surge24 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

M. Shadows
Technically, M. Shadows contributes vocals and piano to the band, whereas the graph only says lead vocals. This is apparent in the Live at the LBC movie, where he plays the organ to start Critical Acclaim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zair888 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

He also played the keyboard for Warmness on the Soul (Hittingray (talk) 11:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC))

Didn't The Rev play the piano/keyboard on Warmness on the Soul? Daarikon (talk) 02:28, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

members
they have a temprorary member at the moment by the name of Mike Portnoy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.232.165.1 (talk) 04:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

in former members, the word "deceased" should be added to The Rev's --paoez (talk) 23:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Possibly only for the album recordings --Thegreene2010 (talk) 17:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Live in the LBC & Diamonds in the Rough (2008—2009)
This section contains material unrelated to the section title. The second paragraph states: "During a sold-out festival performance in Leeds and Reading, the band were forced to shorten their Leeds performance and cancel their Reading performance due to a vocal strain sustained by M. Shadows.[28] A few days later, the band was forced to announce the cancellation of the remaining September shows, with the tour set to resume again on October 15.[29]" This paragraph should be erased or moved to another more appropriate section, such as the Self titled album touring information. It has nothing to do with the Diamonds in the Rough DVD/CD or even the Taste of Chaos tour on which the DVD was filmed.

Further, I believe the Diamonds in the Rough section should contain information on the number of copies sold. Diamonds in the Rough has gone video platinum by selling 100,000+ copies. "RIAA Searchable Database - Search for Avenged Sevenfold" Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved on March 15, 2010Airguitar98 (talk) 09:29, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Inception (1999-2004)
This section should be broken into 3 main sections: Formation of the Band, Early years and Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, and Waking the Fallen. Airguitar98 (talk) 09:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Eternal Soldiers
A lot of people are saying this is the new album name, are there any sources? 90.199.56.149 (talk) 07:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

fifth studio album
editsemiprotected The official website AND the band's myspace have changed to depict a static-y white Deathbat on a black background with white noise playing:

http://www.avengedsevenfold.com

http://www.myspace.com/avengedsevenfold

http://twitter.com/TheOfficialA7X

The A7X Twitter says: "It's Coming..." AvengedSevenfold.com #avengedsevenfold 3:08 PM Apr 29th via web

This is the same time that the website changed to the image described above, and this is obviously a tease for the album's release.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: trivial information.<span style="font-family:Script,Serif;">Spitfire <span style="font-family:Garamond,Serif;">19 (Talk) 19:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

New Member
MIKE PORTNOY WILL BE DRUMMING WITH A7X After having had such an amazing experience recording my drum tracks for the new Avenged Sevenfold album, we all knew it would be awesome if I'd be able to do some touring with the band after its release.....

By: Avenged Sevenfold

Zynyster (talk) 00:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- &#47; MWOAP &#124;  Notify Me &#92; 01:28, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Mike Portnoy is NOT a member of A7X. He released a statement with the following: "Although I wish I could stay on board with A7X in a more permanent capacity, the reality is that I am committed to Dream Theater as my main priority" and "You can look at me like the band's 'rebound drummer' to buy them some time until they are comfortable and ready to make a commitment to somebody new for full-time relationship in their future." The statement can be read at http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=55653 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.202.183 (talk) 01:00, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

New single 'Nightmare'
Anybody gonna add this in with it's release date, and add it in the A7X template? Here are some sources:

http://espyrock.com/2010/05/avenged-sevenfold-select-release-date-and-pick-nightmare-as-the-first-single-12040/

http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/mike-portnoy-to-drum-for-avenged-sevenfold-throughout-2010/

http://deathbatnews.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/youll-have-a-nightmare-on-may-18th/

Not sure if they're reliable and fit under the criteria though. 24.141.7.98 (talk) 00:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

http://www.avengedsevenfold.com/Avenged sevenfold's new single "Nightmare" will be on itunes and mp3's on May 18th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.29.160.250 (talk) 19:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

The member section should say 1999-2010 (deceased) !!
The member section should say 1999-2010 (deceased) so it's 100% clear that he isnt in the band anymore because he died! —Preceding unsigned comment added by A7xfighter (talk • contribs) 13:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. I tried adding it once, but it was removed not long after. *shrugs* Zadion (talk) 05:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Yankeefan9213, 16 May 2010
Avenged Sevenfold should be considered a heavy metal band, not a rock band.

Yankeefan9213 (talk) 14:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome. Please detail your request to a 'please change X to Y' degree and include references for factual changes. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 18:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Sub.section, Fifth Album - Nightmare
Please edit the sub.section of The Death of Rev, and the album Nightmare, this info is so diferent, create a new sub-section or new section.UltraHeadShot (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC).

NIghtmare album name
people have been saying this is going to be the new album name —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kidwithamind (talk • contribs) 15:37, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Ormojo, 25 May 2010 THE REV - DECEASED
Please could you add '(Deceased)' to the end of The Revs name under former members as it is more appropriate. Thanks.

Ormojo (talk) 18:50, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Not done:His death is already mentioned in it's own section. Status is not appropriate in infobox. Spigot Map  18:53, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

The albums
They forgot the sounding of the seventh trumpet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.223.204.134 (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Ballandchain722, 1 June 2010
editsemiprotected

please remove Good Charlotte as an associated act for this band. They are completely different acts and should not be linked to each other in any way. Good Charlotte is a pop punk act and Avenged Sevenfold is a Rock band, although they have gotten a bit soft lately, they are still not a pop punk band.

Ballandchain722 (talk) 22:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. See diff. I'm not familiar with the band, but there was no reference anyway so it seems reasonable. If anyone disagrees, discuss here. Robert Skyhawk (T C B) 23:20, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Avenged Sevenfold's M. Shadows and Synyster Gates were featured in Good Charlotte's song The River.Supahshadow (talk) 22:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll add Good Charlotte back to the associated acts now. If anyone is against this, say something here.Supahshadow (talk) 23:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Two of the members were featured in one song, that doesn't make them associated. ×××BrightBlackHeaven(talk)××× 08:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * In the thank-you section of the booklet for Avenged Sevenfold's CD (Can't remember which one, will tell you when I find out) they thank the guys from Good Charlotte. They are obviously friends also the fact that they are in the music video does make them associated doesn't it? Daarikon (talk) 02:57, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Nightmare Album Release Date
In the second paragraph the release date for their upcoming album Nightmare should be July 27th, 2010.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  — fetch ·  comms   21:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

DUHH!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markwjak25 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Pulpowski, 11 July 2010
editsemiprotected

I guess someone wrote Tiwtter. I want to change it to Twitter.

Pulpowski (talk) 11:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 12:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

the members chart bar graph thingy
Never tried to edit one myself, but someone should put The Rev back on it....seeing as it lists former and current members, his absence is odd.

And we need to come up with a better title for Portnoy's role. "Studio and live members"....sounds like what the rest of the band do. Additional musician perhaps? Possibly even a backing musician? (The Elfoid (talk) 06:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC))

Genre
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:gifwxzyhldke

The genres displayed on AllMusic are:
 * Heavy metal
 * Alternative metal
 * Post-Hardcore
 * Alternative rock
 * Emo
 * Rock

No such thing as Hard rock listed for them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.51.70.8 (talk) 23:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Daarikon, 1 August 2010
editsemiprotected

Hey is the fact that Synyster Gates and M. Shadows performed on the music video for the song: "The River" by Good Charlotte enough to make them an "associated act"?

edit: They play on the song as well. Just thought I would clear that up. Don't know if that is relevant or not —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daarikon (talk • contribs) 02:54, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Daarikon (talk) 02:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done I would think so. I've added them to the list of associated acts, but if someone more familiar with music/band articles thinks otherwise, they are free to remove. --ANowlin: talk 02:36, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Daarikon, 1, August 2010
editsemiprotected

Should there be anything to do with them going to be headlining a tour with Disturbed later this year? Daarikon (talk) 06:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

edit: In the section about Nightmare put in that they will be touring with Disturbed later this year and that Mike Portnoy will be joining them. http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_tours/disturbed_avenged_sevenfold_lead_rockstar_uproar_fest.html Daarikon (talk) 06:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Daarikon (talk) 06:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --ANowlin: talk 06:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --ANowlin: talk 06:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Adrisundead, 5 August 2010
Hello, I'd like to point out that the article about "Avenged Sevenfold" needs a tiny update, specifically on the last sentence of the "Aftermath" paragraph, where it talks about sales projections for their newest album. Their album has now been released and it became the band's first No. 1 debut on the "Billboard 200 albums" chart, selling 163000 copies of the album on the first week.

Source: http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i33196e5b482225222fc6fa25b154de7d

Adrisundead (talk) 04:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Dabomb87 (talk) 14:35, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

genre allmusic
I have added an article on the genres Allmusic, they do not differ greatly from what it was before. Are there any objections? Mistery Spectre (talk) 21:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wheres metalcore? How is Waking the Fallen and STST NOT metalcore? They could be other genres but mostly metalcore. 24.141.7.98 (talk) 20:39, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes there is a problem. Metalcore is not added. And Allmusics genres are not reliable because Avenged Sevenfold is not Emo or Post-Hardcore. Emo and Post-Hardcore bands are bands such as The used, Escape the fate, aiden, and more bands like that. Avenged Sevenfold are simply Heavy Metal, hard rock, and metalcore (early) and should be left as that. 98.150.14.245 (talk) 21:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

"Unreliable source, because I do not agree with him - not an argument. Personally, I can not understand how they differ from other melodic metalcore groups, such as Atreyu. There are other sources? Mistery Spectre (talk) 00:13, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

These genres majorly differ from what they were listed as previously.And if you look at almost every other genre debate on wikipedia where someone has used Allmusic's genre listings, you'll see that among the users Allmusic is generally considered an unreliable source. The genres should be changed back for that reason. And could you also explain what you meant by not understanding how they differ from other melodic metalcore groups, such as Atreyu? Kezian Avenger  ™  03:17, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I meant that in my opinion the band's sound is very similar to each other. Although the question, if I did not add metalcore as a genre. But if you look seriously at the issue, then I will not be against if you take away emo and post-hardcore is just such a complex issue. An alternative and heavy metal hope descend? And if you can question, but what mainly claim to Allmusic? We considered it quite even. Mistery Spectre (talk) 05:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Avenged Sevenfold aren't Heavy Metal. Heavy Metal is bands such as Judas Priest etc. Daarikon (talk) 01:00, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Source on this? So far I've only heard of - the band plays it, the band just played it, but no sources and did not give Mistery Spectre (talk) 09:06, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Genre
Who the hell changed the genre?! I'm so f**king annoyed at that... 94.5.164.124 (talk) 01:04, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * really. Where is metalcore? what about the first two albums? what about all these sources? I metalcore, heavy metal and post-hardcore (and maybe alternative metal) are the right and "more sourced" genres. Please do a RfC for this. Solino the Wolf   09:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Mike Portnoy
Referring to Mike Portnoy as a session musician is completely unacceptable. He's The Rev's drum-hero. The 2nd youngest drummer (after Neil Peart) to ever entered the Drummer's Hall of Fame. Listed 8th by Rolling Stone's magazine as the best drummer of all time (not to mention the many, many awards he won from his peers in drumming magazines)... He's a living legend. Even Jimmie would be pissed off if he'd read this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.80.209.44 (talk) 18:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Drum-hero or no, he still isn't an official member of A7x, and thus he is only a sessional musician for the band. Archer 90 (talk) 22:00, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Small typo/error relating to Portnoy. In the introduction he is referred to as the "then former drummer" of Dream Theater. It should read "then-current drummer" because he was the current drummer at the time. 198.151.130.69 (talk) 22:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

the Deathbat
somebody needs to add Nightmare to the deathbat article where it says that the deathbat is sometimes a skeleton with wings as seen on the cover of City Of Evil. because the skeleton on the cover of Nightmare is a deathbat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devil to the metal666 (talk • contribs) 07:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 99.18.4.232, 31 August 2010
editsemiprotected

I think for the Members section Mike Portnoy should be added. He is the drummer and deserves to be in the bio of the band.

99.18.4.232 (talk) 03:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I have declined the editreuest for now. He is mentioned as a "studio" member later on. Get consensus on this talk page and use the tag again.--Commander Keane (talk) 04:36, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Move The Rev from Former Member to Members
The rev should be move from former members to members as he is still counted as a member on the Avenged Sevenfold Website —Preceding unsigned comment added by JK464 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Doesnt really matter, if you're dead how can you still possibly be a member of something? I'm sorry, but it's just common sense. 24.141.7.98 (talk) 02:41, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Avenged only have him as a member still because they feel he hasn't truly gone, but I agree he should be in the former members section 94.3.32.55 (talk) 09:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Until A7x finds a replacing permanent drummer, The Rev will be listed on the band's MySpace/Website/Facebook etc. as the drummer. However it's safe to conclude due to his death, he is not an active member. Therefore he cannot be placed in the current member section.  Kevon100    Talk! If you're ❺❺❺ then I'm ❻❻❻ 00:02, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I firmly believe that Jimmy will always be part of Avenged. the guys have said that he will always be and i think that it should be with what the band says. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FoREVera7x94 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Portnoy leaves Dream Theatre
Should it be added that Mike Portnoy left Dream Theatre to work on his "side-projects" full-time? He may become A7X's full-time drummer. Stonesour025 (talk) 03:04, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * This is merely speculation. Yes, Portnoy has left Dream Theater but this has nothing to do with Avenged Sevenfold. It is speculated that Portnoy "may" join Avenged Sevenfold as a permanent member, or he "may" not. This should not be added to the article unless it can be confirmed by a reliable source that indeed Portnoy has joined as a full-time musician. Please refrain from having his Dream Theater affairs in the Avenged Sevenfold article. As of now, Mike Portnoy is still a touring musician for Avenged Sevenfold until the end of 2010.  Kevon100    Talk! If you're ❺❺❺ then I'm ❻❻❻ 00:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

The Rev
Long live The Rev!!

FoREVer!

Created by, Hava Toobian

You can't stop me, nah you can't stop me. Just sit back, amazed, and just watch me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.2.157 (talk) 01:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Murders, 16 October 2010
I want to edit the pictures in the "Timeline", because I know that:


 * Justin Sane joined until the end of 2001 because he appeared in every show of Avenged Sevenfold until end of 2001.
 * Dameon Ash joined from 2002 and are willing in making the re-release album Sounding the Seventh Trumpet.
 * Johnny Christ joined in 2003 when Dameon Ash left the band

So please, allow me to help edit this page, Thank You.

Murders (talk) 05:03, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome and thanks for wanting to help. The template doesn't work that way, though - it merely allows you to request a specific change which one of your fellow editors will implement for you, unless there is a good reason not to. The request needs to detail the change in a 'please change X to Y' manner and needs to include reliable sources for any factual change. Since you've chosen to register, you can also wait two more days and become able to edit semiprotected articles yourself. Either way, welcome and thanks again, Celestra (talk) 13:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Ther== Is Avenged Sevenfold breaking up? ==

Rumors of Avenged Sevnefold are floating around that they may break up after the Nightmare Tour, can anyone confirm or deny this rumor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by OPENLIGHET (talk • contribs) 04:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

There has been no official word or statement made by Avenged Sevenfold, their record label or representatives. ĸevon100  Talk 23:35, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Genres undue
Did you know that over 75% of mentioning interwiki heavy metal as the main genre? The editor who put hard rock as the main genre is just a possessive. Very reliable sources, the famous and great access, such as Allmusic, mentioning the main heavy metal as a genre, and more than half of the sources do not specifically mention hard rock. The order of genre is wrong anyway. I will change, because from what I saw in this talk, these genres have been changed without consensus by editors possessive, and that hurts the standards of wikipedia seriously. First, common sense, personal views do not come here. MetalBrasil (talk) 01:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see how personal views come into this. The genres are listed in alphabetical order, something that is practiced on many articles (e.g. Nirvana), which gives the article consistency and can easily be reverted when an editor does edited them to their own personal preference. I should also point out that while you say "these genres have been changed without consensus", you did not restore them, just re-arranged what was already there while you also ignored the note to discuss changes first. Also rock covers hard rock and heavy metal so is better for the articles lead: "Also in the 1970s, rock developed a number of subgenres, such as soft rock, glam rock, heavy metal, hard rock, progressive rock, and punk rock." Do not revert changes without coming to a consensus first. HrZ (talk) 14:33, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Consensus? I do not see any consensus on that page, and taste for "A +B." Press Ctrl + F and type the word key 'genre, "or"style. " See listing immense these words,all complaints of gender wrong. In more than75%of interwiki cite heavy metal first, and virtuallyall reliable sources (As Allmusic) cite as the main heavy metal, and many sources cite or hard rock.

About this alphabetical order, it was just a dirty trick to let the first hard rock. There isno evidence that hard rock is the main genre, many sources do not specifically mention gender, but metal alternative. Ie, personal view, clearly personal view.

Following the advice of the Ctrl + F to see from up there Consensus is lacking most of these genres, the only thing that happens on this page are multiple reversals disregarding the majority of fans and connoisseurs heavy metal, beyond the pure truth,'''because the very M. Shadows has stated that his band was metal'''.

This decision seriously disregards Consensus, and therefore should be discussed Rather than have been placed as an absolute truth by editor possessive, seeing the talk page because there is no consensus some just complaints (complaints and rightly so). MetalBrasil (talk) 02:42, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "alphabetical order, it was just a dirty trick to let the first hard rock" and "more than75%of interwiki cite heavy metal first" appear to be assumptions on your part. Like I stated before, it is used on other articles, including those that do not include hard rock in the genre. While I find it hard to believe you have looked at every music article with heavy metal and found that "75%" of them all have heavy metal first.


 * However, I do agree that there needs to be a consensus on the genres and have list a few from reliable sources; metalcore, pop and thrash metal ; power metal, emo, alternative rock and thrash metal ; alternative rock and hard rock ; metalcore, death metal and glam rock/metal ; heavy metal alternative metal, and hard rock . While most (if not all) mention heavy metal at some point. We will also have to come to a consensus on what order they are in; alphabetical (that you obviously strongly disagree with) or what their "main" genre is, which, after looking at the sources, seems to be metalcore. Also a source has to provided for M.Shadows stating the band is metal, which, in my opinion, effects the genres little with there being multiple metal genres sourced. HrZ (talk) 14:33, 16 November 2010 (UTC)