Talk:AvtoVAZ

Cleanup
I have done an NPOV cleanup and general edit, although I am not happy with the sentence 'Another feature specifically intended to help out in cold conditions was a hand pump for the gas pump.' as it sounds very ugly. Can anyone remove one of the 'pumps'? I don't know enough about car mechanics to find a synonym. --bookgirl 14:36, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * I changed it into a "manual auxiliary fuel pump". I think that hits it. --Amoore 10:42, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

Updates needed
Some of the information is not up-to-date. E.g., there are new models like the 20111 etc., and there is a new off-road car (in the making?); these new cars are much more "modern" in their appeal. I do not know much about Ladas (except owning one), but maybe someone knowledgable should go over this. Ar 16:26, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Already taken care of. Enjoy your Lada! --DmitryKo 17:23, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think there should be some say about the model naming, I heard that 21 (the first 2 digits) is the roof height from the boot and thats common to russian cars model naming system, does anyone know? --82.71.52.79 00:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Somebody made an article about the numbering system. There should be a reference to it, probably under "see also"-section.  I'll check it up ... tobixen 15:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

What's happening?
Why is the page moved? Lada is now a substub while this article is much more detailed. It tells about other AvtoVAZ models while the introduction still refers to Lada. Also Talk:Lada redirects here. I hope User:DmitryKo knows what he's doing because the current state of things is über-messy. If there will there be two different articles, one of them should not be two lines long. Grue 11:59, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Describing the history of VAZ under Lada article is as incorrect as picking up any GM brand and writing a comprehensive history of General Motors under that brand's name. Lada is just a trademark of AutoVAZ, whose official name is JSC AVTOVAZ as indicated on the web site; the Lada name was not even used on the domestic market, the one they sell their million cars, up until recently. For those who specifically looks for Lada brand, a disambiguation page is here. See also Talk:AutoVAZ.
 * As for inconsistencies in the article, I just had't submitted the rewritten parts at the time you were looking. I've updated the page, so now it should be OK; feel free to correct any errors though... because I'm TIRED! ;) --DmitryKo 17:05, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How many cars AvtoVAZ produced in 2004?
Or are production stats a secret?
 * http://www.lada-auto.ru

Diesel for export or domestic market only?
According to a lada expert, the diesel lada was only built for domestic markets, and not, as the model list suggests, only for export. Now the page is in conflit with itself. However, I do not know the source for the listing, but did not want to go mess with it.

I wonder what the source for the list is, as it has british names for the cars listed. I added a comment saying that the names differ from market to market so they should only be referred to as model number. As this is an international/english speaking site I suggest the model names be removed from the list (i.e. Riva/Nova). I will do this at a later date.

I made a few other changes too, and intend to add some modern information as well. Also there should be more written on the Kalina as it has begun production and is looking to be a best seller.

18.52 (GMT +2) 8.8.2005


 * There were no diesel car engines on the domestic Soviet market. Soviet diesels were designed for tanks and army trucks, not consumer cars. I did find a Russian source that says 21045 is using modern (licensed??) VAZ-343 diesel engine made in Barnaul, but it seems the producion of this car is very low, for testing purposes mostly; you can't find it in dealerships outside Togliatti. I'm just too lazy to incorporate lots of this and other useful information available on many Russian sites. Sorry.
 * The source for the names is the official corporate history of the VAZ, http://history.vaz.ru/cars/ Numeric model numbers like Lada 1200SL were the most used internationallly, and the Soviet "AutoExport Corp." wouldn't be so flexible to appoint different naming schemes for each market, maybe excluding some major ones like the UK. I don't see any point in removing model names. Noone should remember all those crazy manufacturer codes, that's too much for cars that all are based on the Fiat 124 and differ only by say front fascia, like 21063 to 21033.
 * Don't bother with the Kalina, it's getting mostly mediocre reviews even from the loyal press. The promises were high but the build quality seems to stay on a level typical to VAZ (see The Object of Jokes) and the parts quality is not catching up. The sales of VAZ cars are falling since last year while the sales of foreign cars are increasing, and no further raise of the import tax will help if the VAZ won't improve, but just don't seem to be able to, as shown by the fiasco of their efforts to adapt Chevrolet Niva for export. They'd better license some designs from GM Daewoo, quick, while GM is still not afraid to lose their image once and forever.
 * I'll be uploading some official imagery from www.lada-auto.ru files some time later. --DmitryKo 19:35, 8 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, won't mess with names. Found some info on the Samara engine, will be adding that.
 * The diesel engine thing should perhaps be cleared up in some short way.
 * Wether the Kalina is any good or not I guess is beside the point, it seems to be the model Lada is betting on for the future so we should add info as it comes available.
 * 10.25 (GMT +2) 9.8.2005

Merge Lada article
Makes sense - so long as it is done sensitively with no loss of content or images. Also, such that anyone keying "Lada" into the search function is directed to the right place. Bob BScar23625 16:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Just move the whole section, it can later be edited to match this article and maybe expanded into "Foreign markets" or something similar. --DmitryKo 18:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I would rather keep them separate and link within the Lada article to AvtoVAZ. The name Lada was not used for the domestic market AFAIK. If no one object, I will remove the merge tag in one week time. E    Asterion  u talking to me? 23:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Even though it wasn't used, still it was well known due to reexports (not to mention that these were the same cars), and currently it IS used. I see little point in having duplicate articles on the same subject. I would merge it myself but I'd rather have someone who had personal experience with Ladas review the topics. --Dmitry (talk •contibs ) 14:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems pointless to isolate the Lada article from AvtoVAZ now that all VAZ cars are sold as Ladas everywhere. There just needs to be a mention in the new article that once upon a time some home market cars did not carry a Lada name. And really, is such information significant enough to render the current situation? This separation just hampers the improvement and development of both articles.--Paffka (talk) 10:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

"Non-Fiat models" and "Recent developments"
Those two sections are a bit overlapping, I think ... the article may need some reorganization.

The object of jokes
I removed the section The original Lada is often thought of as a 'rugged' car, lacking in most modern luxuries expected in modern cars. While sanctions banned their export to the United States, Ladas were available in several Western countries during the 1980s, including Canada and Britain, where, due to a perception of poor quality and their low price, they became the subject of jokes such as these (which were also frequently used for Yugo, Skoda and Trabant):


 * Q: How do you double the resale value of a Lada?
 * A: Fill it up with petrol.


 * Q: Why do Ladas come with rear window defrosters as standard?
 * A: So your hands stay warm while you're pushing it.


 * Q: What do you call a convertible Lada?
 * A: A skip.


 * Q: What do you call a Lada with twin exhausts?
 * A: A wheelbarrow.


 * Q: Have you heard about the new Lada 16-valve?
 * A: Yes. Eight in the engine and eight in the radio.

In 1982 Lada became the sponsors of the Classic snooker tournament and offered any player who made a 147 break a Lada; Steve Davis (who achieved it) later commented that the players had joked that the prize for nearly doing so but missing the final black was two Ladas. It's unsourced and Wikipedia is not a collection of jokes. No other car marque has a jokes section (altough I did try do add one to Audi and BMW). // Liftarn

I personally believe the joke section does have a place in Wikipedia, as long as it's kept short. It is a fact that such jokes have been circulating about Ladas, particularly about Ladas imported to the Western Europe, and I think there have been more jokes about Ladas than any other brand. Also, those jokes are dieing as there are very few old-style Ladas left in the Western Europe. tobixen 03:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

2106 picture is incorrect
I believe that one picture on the page has been tagged incorrectly.

The third picture says the model depicted is 2106, while in fact it is 2103. The main visual differences between the two models were the interior and the grill. 2106 had plastic housing for the headlights, while 2103 did not. I know that because I used to live in the Soviet Union where my father owned a 2106 and my uncle owned a 2103.

Please make changes as necessary.

Sandro.

A good source for exanding the article
Anyone interested in expanding this article, the book "Cars for Comrades" by Lewis Siegelbaum has a detailed discussion of the history of AvtoVAZ - in English. Голубое сало/Blue Salo (talk) 22:44, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

"Citation needed" tags
I decided to remove the numerous "citation needed" tags. The article is already tagged as needing sources identified, and the numerous tags throughout the entire article tended to be distracting. With the whole article already tagged, it seems superfluous to additionally flag each individual sourceless statement. --Ericdn (talk) 18:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Merger of Autovaz, Opel and GAZ
Probably this year there will be a merger between OPEL, AUTOVAZ and GAZ as the auto manufacturing in the Russian Federation is still very low compared to other markets: Russia just manufactures 1.6 million cars while Brazil manufactres 3 million and South Korea 4 million. So there is a lot of room for increasing manufacturing inside Russia.--83.53.111.4 (talk) 00:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I spotted on Autoblog a recent article about it, but it didn't involved Opel and Gaz, it will be called "Rosavto" by a group of a Russian conglomerate which got from what I saw on Autoblog: "37.8% of truckmaker Kamaz, 25% of automaker Avtovaz (Lada's parent company) and 30% of engine manufacturer Avtodizel – and it just recently announced preliminary plans to merge the three into a single holding firm called Rosavto." --Sd-100 (talk) 17:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

AvtoVAZ, AutoVAZ—what's the difference?
While АвтоВАЗ is the correct spelling, how is this best written in the Roman alphabet? The particle Авто is pronounced "auto", just as in other mainland (i.e. except English) languages that use the Roman alphabet; the letter в is equivalent to v or u; so why is a "v" used in "AvtoVAZ"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rfsmit (talk • contribs) 19:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Some changes from official AVTOVAZ
We'd like to make some changes in Wiki texts about AVTOVAZ. 1. Now we have new president Bo Inge Andersson, who joint us 14 January 2014. 2. Since March of 2013 we have new major shareholder Alliance Rostec Auto B.V. This information is confirmed by quater reviews http://www.avtovaz.ru/files/avtovazotchet032013.pdf 3. Now we have 66,5 thousand people on AVTOVAZ. It is actualized on December 2013. 4. The current name of AVTOVAZ contains only capital letters. AVTOVAZ with all capital letters is a registered trademark. So, the phrase "The current company name contains the semantic pleonasm "AvtoVAZ", which stands for "Avtomobilniy Volzhsky Avtomobilny Zavod" ("Automobile Volga Automobile Plant").[3]" is not actual now. Moreover the reference #3 has no materials proving such position. 5. We'd like to actualize model range by adding LADA Priora and LADA Granta, amd changing LADA Niva by LADA 4x4. Niva brand belongs GM-AVTOVAZ. 6. We'd like to add new topic "AVTOVAZ today"

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Lada which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 19:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on AvtoVAZ. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20151222233546/http://www.robhuff.com/news_report/LADA%20unveils%20new%20WTCC%20car%20and%20new%20sponsor%20for%202015-2017 to http://www.robhuff.com/news_report/LADA%2Bunveils%2Bnew%2BWTCC%2Bcar%2Band%2Bnew%2Bsponsor%2Bfor%2B2015-2017

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 16:15, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Stop Edit Warring
Stop the Edit Warring. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:20, 18 May 2022 (UTC)