Talk:Awen

Desperately in need of revision and restructure
I suggest the following structure
 * Historical references
 * Contemporary useage and origins in the work of Iolo Morganwg
 * * Welsh Culture and the Gorsedd of Bards
 * * Contemporary or pagan Neo-druidry


 * Similar concepts in Other Cultures/Contexts
 * Popular Culture

reference to being used as a girls name needs clarification

reference to awenydd in first paragraph needs expansion (possibly a seperate article) and references

Adamsargant (talk) 11:32, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Should the references to awen as defined by an online roleplaying group be transferred to a subsection for "popular culture" or removed entirely? Adamsargant (talk) 10:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete on sight. This article needs some attention from someone who has written more than one research paper before. If I ever have time, I'll try to look at it, but not now and not very soon... RhysDdu (talk) 11:56, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

A few questions
I'm concerned about the section on Neo-Druidism, where it suggests that the symbol /|\ was 'invented by Iolo Morganwg'... to my knowledge, Mr. Morganwg had merely compiled the beliefs of Welsh bards and so his work may have been only the first documentation of a much older belief. Is there another source which suggests that the symbol has no historical antecedent to support the statement that Iolo invented it? (also, for the record, I'm pretty sceptical about the interpretation of /|\ to mean Awen, when Iolo's compendium, the Barddas, clearly indicates the symbol to mean the three letter 'name' of God, OIU/OIW, who would be the source both of Awen and all the welsh letters) polygraphic 14:49, 30 Sept 2010
 * Iolo Morganwg is understood by modern academics to have largely invented most of his work and to my knowledge there is no confirmed earlier attestation to the Awen symbol, although Angela Grant suggests otherwise http://druidnetwork.org/what-is-druidry/beliefs-and-definitions/articles/a-short-history-of-the-awen/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamsargant (talk • contribs) 12:06, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand parts of this article. I had to hit 'edit this page' to find out who/what the unnamed source was. ("A source notes that [ ... ] The same source also describes...") I think that could be a lot clearer. Is there a reason for not saying the British Druid Order rather than "a source"? And what is the culture in which Awen is a female name? Welsh culture, or Druid culture? It's not at all clear. --Telsa 23:28, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I would like to see some documentation that the Awen emblem is anything more than a modern logo for the British Druid Order. I feel the picture should be removed or at least clearly labeled as a modern invention- should such documentation not be forthcoming. --Magbhitu


 * All the second half of this article, including the emblem, is modern "druidic" nonsense and has no place in an article on an important and academically valid part of early medieval Welsh culture (the Awen - a feminine noun, by the way - is central to Welsh poetic tradition). This needs some serious rewriting. The purveyors of "Celtic Mist" have struck once again! Enaidmawr 22:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've tried to tidy it up a bit but it still needs a lot of work. Half the reference is unusable. Enaidmawr 22:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to see some solid references to the origin of the symbol, as well. However, the 'second half' of the article should not be classified as nonsense. If it has a present-day use, it merits an entry, and I can't see anyone being served by splitting the article. --John T. Folden 08:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps there should be a reference to the equivalent concept in Germanic thought, "Wod"... the two concepts are pretty much identical, and the Kelts and Germanics are closely related and had much interaction and influence on each other over the millennia. Aelswyth2 17:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)Aelswyth

A reference to the Irish "imbas" would also seem obvious. 7 January 2008.


 * And also a ref to the spanish inspiration wind seems needed Duende. Anyone who knows anything more about Awen - go for it! Add and edit. Spanglej (talk) 19:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I have seen the english translations, as well as the latin and I have yet to verify the claim that "The first recorded attestation of the word occurs in Nennius' Historia Brittonum", in fact I cannot find the word Awen or Inspiration anywhere in the English translation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.155.185.195 (talk) 14:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The Latin text from Wikisource reads
 * 62 Tunc Dutigirn in illo tempore fortiter dimicabat contra gentem Anglorum. tunc Talhaern Tataguen in poemate claruit et Neirin, et Taliessin, et Bluchbard, et Cian, qui vocatur Guenith Guaut, simul uno tempore in poemate Britannico claruerunt.
 * The words in bold give Talhaern's name tag in Old welsh 'Tataguen' (Father of the Awen) though some English translations would give 'muse' instead of 'awen' Crychydd (talk) 12:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

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