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Why so many more women?
Can someone explain in the demographics section why there are so many more women than men? DBlomgren (talk) 16:07, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

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Photo for this article
The current photo does not represent what Axum is known for, the Stelae. So why show that lonely building?--Inayity (talk) 22:14, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

June 26th Ark unveiling in Rome a hoax?
The current version of this article quotes a WorldNetDaily article about the Ark of the Covenant being unveiled in Rome, on Friday June 26th.

I spent some time searching for corroborating stories, but only found this article stating that the Italian newspaper article, upon which the WND article was based, was badly/poorly misinterpreted from the original Italian:

http://catholickey.blogspot.com/2009/06/ark-of-covenant-story-was-bad.html

Apparently WorldNetDaily (intentionally?) mis-interpreted the original article (in Italian). Also note that, on the WorldNetDaily page, there is heavy ad promotion for a 2-DVD set on the Ark.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102200

I think the section on the Ark being unveiled on June 26th should be pulled.

K Sandberg Melbourne FL
 * I have removed the offending paragraphs. Thanks for your help. - BanyanTree 21:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Map Needed
Can anyone insert a map of the Axumite civilisation and its major sites. John D. Croft 02:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Would you plz post a picture that could enable us to go to axsum's Oberlin from addis Kidusdina (talk) 04:02, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Assyria
According to assyrian people accounts, ach-shum or aksum was founded by the soldiers of king ashurnasirpal of assyria, probably after 1050 bc. there after the settlement of yemen and then ach-sum (Ach-shum) started by the assyrians. According to oral history, when the assyrians reached axume, they found a lake that had gold in it and a land mass that was densely wooded area with no inhabitnats in it. With the rise of islam, the assyrians stopped flowing to Axume. The last people to settle in axume from assyria were the nine saints: Aregawi, Gerima, etc. Axume and Yemen weren't seperate states; the rise of islam and the sea made them seperate. ( This is the most likely true history of axume (ach - sum).) To this day the people of Tigray and Eritrea speak ancient assyrian dialect; the names of the places in modern day Northern Ethiopia that is Tigray and parts of Eritrea hold true assyrian names.)


 * Dear reader: don't remove or edit what others write - this is solely written for intellectuals who are interested in history. It is not written to discomfort the interest of some people like you.

- Has anyone checked this out? Ddddan 14:44, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I had removed a section and then the anon removed all my formatting and comments and continued editing as if it was the actual article. For posterity, here is what I originally wrote in the first edit to this talk page: -   BanyanTree 14:56, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Axum is an Assyrian colony?
An anon added, and I removed:
 * According to assrian people accounts, axume was founded by the soldiers of king assur ban pal of assyria aroud 650 bc. there after the settlement os axume and yemen started by the assyrians. ( this is the most likely history of axume (ach - sum).) And to this day the people of tigray and Eritrea are speaking ancient assyrian dialect.)"

I've never heard anything like this and can find no Google hits to support. I would appreciate it if the anon, or anyone else, would provide some sources. Thanks,  BanyanTree 6 July 2005 22:43 (UTC)

Dear reader: what is written above is a base knowledge of the history of Axume - it is based on objective facts of the people of Assyria who are scattered through out the world and the language spoken by the Tigreans and Eritreans in Eritrea and Ethiopia:- So, it will not be found anywhere; it is a researched history.

(The base knowledge which I have written above may not be hundred percent true but it provides enough information to reaserch the history of Axume. Studying the language of the axumites, asking the assyrian people, researching archaeological findings, and studying the orthodox religion may help in the studying of the Yemeny and Axumite kingdoms. Regarding my own self - I am not an Ethiopian race; and I don't have a biased view of history.)

As is in many countries, different rulers and dominant tribes of Ethiopia made history of axume convenient to their own ruling systems. And the history of smaller tribes of ethiopia was even under represented.

Today, Ethiopia is on the path of democracy; its true history may be written by historians sometime in the future.

Requested move
I have reverted the cut-and-paste move to Aksum. I don't have an opinion as to where the article is located, but that redirect left the page history and this discussion page, as well as leaving no link to Axum (disambiguation). An admin, accessible at Requested moves, can make such moves. Please decide on a desired final structure, e.g. do you want Axum (disambiguation) moved to Axum or do you want Axum to redirect to Aksum with a "Axum redirects here. For other meanings, see Axum (disambiguation)"-message on top? Thanks, BanyanTree 22:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the bad form on my part, I was trying to work out some kind of harmony. To be honest, I don't have any particular opinion, except for a preference for truth and accuracy. It seems easiest to leave the article where it is, but change all internal references to "Aksum" and "Aksumite".


 * Does anybody have an invested interest in this distinction? Xaxafrad 23:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you're going to change all the references, it would be less confusing if you moved the article as well. I suggest posting a request at Requested moves, the section depending on if you think this is uncontroversial or not.  (Don't forget to specify if you want the dab moved here as well.)  Cheers, BanyanTree 03:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I prefer Axum or Axoum, which keeps closer to the Greek and looks less like a misspelling. The Aksum thing is pretty new; could someone explain why it's preferable? Is it from a Ge'ez transliteration? or is it supposed to shift English pronunciation from Axe-um to Aux-um? Consistency is good, but I'd like to understand why Aksum started to be used in the first place. -LlywelynII (talk) 15:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Further
This paper has some more information on Axum that could be used to expand the article. -LlywelynII (talk) 15:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Obelisk
The article says that the obelisk taken by Italy during the colonisation attempt was set to be re-erected in late 2006. Does anyone have information as to whether or not this went according to plans? Israelite9191 19:47, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 
 * -- 88.75.193.165 (talk) 09:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The Obelisk in 1937 was lying on the ground and was not cut into 3 pieces by Italian soldiers, as someone wrote. It is even wrong to say re-erected, because it was found broken into 5 pieces.
 * Sources:
 * http://www.unesco.org/culture/laws/pdf/abstract_scovazzi.pdf
 * http://www.repubblica.it/2005/d/sezioni/cronaca/stele/stele/stele.html
 * http://digilander.libero.it/fiammecremisi/approfondimenti/axum.htm
 * --Jack482186 (talk) 01:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You're confusing the past move with the more recent move. The stele had fallen and broken into 5 pieces in antiquity. In 1937 the Italians removed those 5 broken pieces, shipped them to Rome, and reassembled them using steel bars internally. When it came time to move it back, the stele was cut(method unknown), into 3 roughly equal weight pieces. Those 3 pieces were eventually flown back to Axum, 1 at a time, on an Antonov cargo plane. They were re-assembled in Axum using kevlar bars. Check the wiki article on "Obelisk of Axum" for more details.
 * Gcronau (talk) 02:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC)