Talk:Aya Nakamura

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Certifications in France
Hi,

The album "Nakamura" is certified 2xPlatinum in France. More than 415,000 were sold, but the SNEP did not certified the album 3xPlatinum. The certification 4xPlatinum doesn't exist in France. SNEP is the only one that can certify albums in France. Album certifications : Gold (50,000), Platinum (100,000), 2xPlatinum (200,000), 3xPlatinum (300,000), Diamond (500,000)... So, we should write "SNEP: 2xPlatinum". Not "SNEP: 3xPlatinum" or "SNEP: 4xPlatinum".--Land and travel (talk) 09:50, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

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Nationality
I'm not familiar with this individual (except for the latest news stories). According to the article, she was born in Mali and received French citizenship in 2021. I don't know whether that means that she somehow lost Malian citizenship. Usually articles on people like this would say that she is "Malian-French" or something similar. Noel S McFerran (talk) 20:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)


 * She left Mali as a child. She had done nothing notable there, all her notable activities are in France as an immigrant, permanent resident and later citizen. MOS:CONTEXTBIO suggests the "and" construct for people with notable activities in both countries. See examples in the article for similar situations and how they are handled. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but that's inaccurate. She became famous as a Malian singer (a singer with Malian nationality). Nobody referred to her as a "French singer" before she obtained French nationality, and if they did, it would have been inaccurate. You can't argue "Malian is only her ethnicity", because it's not like she was stateless before she became French. Also, it's not as if she has lost her citizenship. And in sources, they also call her "French-Malian" or "Malian-French". Purely, because that is what she is. Calling her only French is inaccurate. NY Times, The Week, Euronews, the Guardian, and literally every single source calls her "French-Malian". There's just no argument to be made here, Geraldo Perez. Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Africa News, RFI, the Guardian again, France 24, BBC, and the overwhelming majority of sources confirm this. Need I really continue? Just type "Aya Nakamura" and search for recent news articles and you will see. Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia manual of style is clear on this for what goes in a bio article intro - birth location and ethnicity do not belong. The articles cited are using Malian- as an ethnicity tag and other publication like to tag people with ethnicities, particularly in her case based on her skin color basically saying she isn't really French. She emigrated from Mali and permanently moved to France as a child. Her entire career is in France. For Wiki intro descriptions ethnicity descriptions, which "Malian-French" is, don't belong. "Malian and French" would potentially be appropriate but she has done nothing of note in Mali other than being born there. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * She was born in 1995 and did not obtain French nationality until 2021 - when she was aged 26. She was not required to give up her Malian nationality when she obtained French nationality.  She has only been French for 11% of her life. Noel S McFerran (talk) 22:31, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * She left Mali for France as a child where she remained as an immigrant, was raised in France, went to French schools, permanently resided in France and did all her notable activities in France. France finally granted her citizenship rights at 26 but she had already broken most of her links with Mali when she permanently emigrated from there. She does retains Malian nationality but she has done nothing notable in Mali. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This is just incorrect in so many ways. Before 2021, she was a notable individual. However, we couldn't have labeled her as "French" as she literally wasn't French. Malian was appropriate at the time. Malian isn't her ethnicity, by the way. Malian is not an ethnicity, it's a nationality, just like "Brazilian" isn't an ethnicity. The largest ethnic groups in Mali are Bambara and Fula. MOS:ETHNICITY doesn't apply in that regards. Also, it's not under the "previous nationalities or country of birth" provision, as it's not just her country of birth but also the country from which she has been a national for 89% of her life. It's super relevant to who she is and her rise to fame. It was literally her nationality when she became famous. Finally, sources override everything discussed here. Every single reputable source says "Malian-French", and NOT in the context of ethnicity but in the context of nationality, which is relevant. (Remember that Malian isn't an ethnicity.) WP:IGNOREALLRULES and go with the sourcing here. Paul Vaurie (talk) 09:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Standard punctuation
@Revirvlkodlaku I noticed you reverted my recent edit, saying Why change the punctuation? The relevant parts of the Manual of Style I was basing this on were: That said, looking into it again, MOS:CONFORM also says: And the example it gives is French, using a spaced colon and spaced guillemets (« »). As a result, I think the ref is almost right as-is, except that the interior quotation marks should be guillemets instead of double quotes. Would you object if I made this change? -- Yodin T 09:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Remove spaces before punctuation such as periods and colons (MOS:CONFORM)
 * If the title is put into double quotation marks as a minor work, its interior quotation marks are rendered as single quotes
 * When quoting text from non-English languages, the outer punctuation should follow the Manual of Style for English quote marks. If there are nested quotations, follow the rules for correct punctuation in that language.
 * @Yodin, that's fair enough. For the record, your edit removed the space preceding the colon in the quote, which was the main reason I reverted. Are you suggesting this should be retained, per MOS:CONFORM? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think so (probably non-breaking spaces before the colon, and inside the guillements), but have raised the question here to be sure. -- Yodin T 13:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Revirvlkodlaku: The recommendation is to use normal spaces, not, as these html encoded spaces break the citation metadata. -- Yodin T 15:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Yodin, good to know, thanks for doing the legwork! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)