Talk:Ayrshire cattle

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http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle/ayrshire/ has quite a lot of info on Ayrshire cattle, but I am not familiar with paraphrasing protocols from a single source??? Ulp --Garble 07:19, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I have Ayrshires in the U.S., I added that fact about efficient grazing and low somatic cell count and whatnot awhile ago. Today I changed the part that said they have bad personalities...they aren't really stubborn, more like fiesty. And it isn't very objective to say that that's a bad thing. Anyway, yeah, I changed it. I was also thinking about adding different pictures (that one is a terrible representation of the breed!) but I'm not sure how. I have the "ideal Ayrshire" painting as well as professional photos of my own animals that could replace the current photo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.89.44 (talk) 17:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The picture is successfully changed. Leo.Li111 (talk) 09:46, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Pictures needed
This article has an atrocious picture, the cow looks terrible. Anybody got better? Vaarok (talk) 00:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Take a look at the Commons cat... I've tried looking in Flickr but I've only found one or two, and they're there already. I have loads of personal photos of the breed, but I'm afraid they're more of the cute and interesting type... No champion level animals there. Also, I'll need to dig through my personal archives (~halfway to China that is) to find them... I'll look for them though. Stay tuned :) Pitke (talk) 07:43, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

The picture is successfully changed. Leo.Li111 (talk) 09:44, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Lead image
I propose we change the lead image to this one. It is not ideal because it is a show ring animal, but IMHO is better than the current face-on image of a calf. DrChrissy (talk) 16:52, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed, much he better and without the distracting background than the current one.  Cassianto Talk   17:09, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed, the best we have got. TheMagikCow (talk) 09:20, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Units
The article talks about "pounds of milk" and this is faithful to the source, but, is it usual to discuss milk in terms of weight, rather than volume (gallons, litres, etc)? DrChrissy (talk) 17:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Pounds are certainly an odd unit to use? I would convert into volume, although how to do this using a template, I really don't know.    Cassianto Talk   17:43, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There might not be a template. Might need manual calculation assuming 1 kg of milk = 1 litre (this is the conversion for water).  Do you think this is acceptable if we put a footnote with it? DrChrissy (talk) 18:43, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think that's a good idea., your thoughts?   Cassianto Talk   19:14, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I could be wrong, but I didn't see anything about an average of (whatever that number was) pounds of milk per year. I therefore reworded the section in accordance with what I actually saw in the sources. I'm hardly an expert on cattle or any sort of animal myself, so any expert is of course free to revert if I'm incorrect. -- Biblio worm  19:25, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks., would you care to elaborate on this and to provide a reliable source?  Cassianto Talk   19:28, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK looking for a source now! it looks much better! TheMagikCow (talk) 09:15, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Sources are |here and |here and. They all measure milk in pounds, which is the norm, for large amounts. I think using pounds then litres in brackets is better. TheMagikCow (talk) 09:19, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've done a very brief check on this and it quickly became apparent that both volume and mass are used. Perhaps the use of mass is used more in the U.S. - I don't know.  If this article is submitted for GA, it seems like the sort of question that might arise so preparing a supporting source/statement might be prudent. DrChrissy (talk) 11:49, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the argument is; stay true to the source, but also provide litres afterwards. i am going to be bold and change it. TheMagikCow (talk) 11:52, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep - I think that is the safe thing to do. DrChrissy (talk) 12:09, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I would also be careful not to mix and match AmEng with BrEng. Choose a format (with BrEng being more preferable seeing as the cow originated, and is named after Ayrshire) and stick to it.  You can always give equivalents in foot notes should you wish.   Cassianto Talk   12:18, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

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