Talk:Ayu Tsukimiya

Only character article?
So why is this the only character article for Kanon? I think we either need to create articles for the other main characters or merge this back into List of Kanon characters.--SeizureDog 02:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ayu is more visible and more well-known outside of Kanon than most other characters, which I think kinda justifies her article's notability. --Rubbrchikin 21:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Uguu in Nodame Cantabile
At half of episode 06, Nodame says ”Uguu”. Maybe a reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.77.26 (talk) 18:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it should be more obvious. Did anything else happen, or was it just that?--  十  八  21:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Excellent!
I really enjoyed this article, it has enough information that I was searching. However, I also hope that the article write about Misuzu Kamio and Nagisa Furukawa. Does the writer can do? Thanks if you do --113.163.197.151 (talk) 02:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am also consulting with the IP. There should be articles for Misuzu and Nagisa --minhhuy*= (talk) 02:12, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ayu appears to be the most notable heroine from Key, though if it can be shown that Misuzu and/or Nagisa have enough real-world influence, then articles of them could be created. The main thing keeping from their creation would be their cultural impact, but also information on their creation and conception which would have to be found.--  十  八  02:33, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the interviews in artbook and fanbook will be helpful in this case. Can use it? --minhhuy*= (talk) 04:49, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Not notable, suggest merge to List of Kanon characters
I am sorry, but this article is unlikely to be notable, and should be merged to List of Kanon characters. Here is a brief list of problems: I am also going to delist it as GAR due to numerous problem. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:02, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * 'Creation and conception' section is based on WP:PRIMARY sources: Kanon Visual Fan Book and official website
 * 'Characteristics' - same, in addition it is mostly unreferenced
 * 'Appearances' -primary, mostly unreferenced. A major claim to fame, ' "has had more appearances outside of the original Kanon than any other anime or H-game character ever."' is referenced to a Hentai.co.uk website, of dubious reliability, and certainly very niche.
 * 'Musical theme' - primary/not about the character but about the song and mostly off topic here anyway
 * 'Cultural impact' - much of this is original research or primary. Only the last paragraph, with references to reliable sources such as ANN and N-USA has value, but they are references for the series, there is no indiation they ever had an article about this character.
 * 'Merchandise - primary, OR, spam.


 * Strong Oppose - Two discussions should not be taking place at once here. If the article does fail the GA reassessment then go from there, otherwise you risk a potential discussion mess. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:20, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have not read the article, so I'm not going to comment on it yet, but it makes more sense to me to do the merge discussion first. If it's decided that it should be merged, then we can skip the GAR entirely.--IDVtalk 17:29, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose creation is allowed to be based on primary sources as that has insights as to how the character was created. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:19, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Could you take a look a Notability (fictional characters) Notability (fiction) and cite which part of it does not contradict your argument? We need non-primary sources to estabilish notability. (Also, quoting from WP:PRIMARY: 'Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability'). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 17:36, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The other sections should be used to check for notability. I disagree that a Creation/Conception section is a problem for drawing from primary material: the author, character designer, director, voice actor interviews, whatever as presented by the distributing media company. That's like tagging the Plot section for relying on the plot itself as the primary source. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:44, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not disagreeing with you, I am saying what IDV said curtly below: primary sources can be used, but if there is not enough secondary/tertiary sources, than the article is not notable and should be merged. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:45, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong with both discussions happening at once, besides inefficiency. (Obviously the merge would take precedence over the GAR.) I am in favor of merging this to the parent list article unless someone can show reliable, secondary sources that note this character as independently notable not just from the series but from its cast of characters as well. (If it isn't separately covered, it should be covered in the parent article and only split summary style when warranted by sources.) Eye close font awesome.svg czar  18:35, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It is okay to use primary sources to fill out the gaps between secondary sources' coverage, but we still need secondary, reliable sources to establish independent notability in the first place. If those do not exist, this should be merged with the character list.--IDVtalk 17:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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