Talk:Azula/Archive 1

Age
Are we seriously going to get into a reverty war over Azula's age? Someone please bring forth the known information as provided by the show or Nickelodeon.

We don't know what her age is.


 * I'm all for not starting an edit war. We do know what her age is: the newly updated Nick.com Avatar website lists Azula as being 14 years old. Raceberry 05:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

But the creators of the show said she was the same age as Sokka and he's 15.
 * You got a reference about that?
 * They allegedly said that at a convention a year ago. The official website empirically states that she is 14. The website has the fact that it's more recent and also the fact that it's documented on its side. Unless Mike or Bryan comes out with an interview that specifically says, "Azula is 15," then we have to assume that the official site is correct. Raceberry 00:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. The Nick.com website is an official, published Avatar: The Last Airbender source and should take final precedence on the issue. Prototime 06:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Seems some lovely soul has decided to start this again...would that person care to explain why we should not go with Nick.com, the authoritative source for Avatar?--Fyre2387 17:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I'm The Dragon's Daughter, and for the sake of love, update Azula's page. Her age now says 14 (possibly 15), as I can see this may come to be a dividing issue and some people still believe she is 15. So to make everyone happy, I did that.
 * And I undid itH2P 03:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

You don't seem to understand...there is verification that she is 14. To quote from WP:Verifiability: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is thus verifiability, not truth." This means, then, that since we have a published, authoritative source that says she is 14, that's what the article should say, unless a published, authoritative source (or the show itself, I’d suppose) says otherwise. Some comments at a comic-con, even from he show's creators, do not superceed a published source.--Fyre2387 04:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC).

This is countmall (the guy fighting an editor about mai's pic), I think we can agree that Azula could possibly be 14 comming up on her 15th birthday.
 * No, we can't. She's 14, period. That's what the source says, that's what goes in.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Just for the record...Nick.com is the offical source. For the purposes of Wikipedia, it CAN'T be wrong.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 05:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I say she's 15. Think about it: Zuko was 14 when he was bannished. In Season Two, he says it has been three years. That means that now he's 17. Azula is two years younger than Zuko, making her 15. Happy? User:Hot Firebender Princess 17:20, 15, November 2006

Maybe you don't understand. Nick.com, an official source, says she is fourteen. Until that changes, that is what we go by. That's how Wikipedia works. Information is posted when it is verifiable, and it has been confirmed that she is 14, so she is. -Exhibit A 22:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The show itself is *also* an official source. Did Zuko say in Season Two that (1) he was exiled at 14 and (2) it has been three years? If so then he would need to have aged three years, thus he is 17 and Azula 15. I don't remember what the show says, but continuity errors aren't exactly impossible ... I'd take what the show says over what nick.com says. But that's just me. At the least if there is a contradiction between nick.com and the show, it should be noted. Gothic Chevalier 23:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

But the nick.com page is a year old. Thus she is 15. I should know. Look at my username. She's my namesake. user: Hot Firebender Princess


 * Until someone finds a source that says that she's 15, the Nick.com one is the one that's going to be used, even though it's older... Perhaps a notation would be better than constantly editing it? Actually, for all we know, Azula could still be 14. Maybe her birthday falls months after Zuko's exile...
 * TakaraLioness 01:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I am forced to scoff at your argument, Hot Firebender Princess. The Nick.com page on the show is almost two years old. Does that mean the characters have aged two years in that time? NO, BECAUSE TIME DOESN'T PASS THE SAME WAY IN THE SHOW! In case the reference to Aang having to achieve his destiny by "Summer's end", and the message being given to him in the MIDDLE OF WINTER doesn't make it clear. Stop trying to apply math. Cite a verifiable source that says she's fifteen, and THEN you can change it. I don't care how big a fan of Azula you are, you can't prove that statement no matter how much you believe you're right. STOP CHANGING IT! Y BCZ 02:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright. If I do find a good source that says she's 15, can we change it? user: Hot Firebender Princess


 * I would say yes, if the source is legit...
 * TakaraLioness 23:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if you think that this would be a good idea, but why don't we just not put what age she is at all? If not, can't we just put that she is 14-15 years old? User:ZukosGal14
 * No, because we have an official source telling us she's 14. Bagpipeturtle 05:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Iroh
In relation to Iroh being superior to Azula, I'd say that after seeing him fight groups of people on his own before, I doubt age is a problem. His problem comes in never expecting an attack being that he is either too carefree of a person (hot springs capture) or that he is simply careless due to the fact that he is constantly observing everything (attack during The Chase). I do believe that in a one on one bout, Iroh would easily take on Azula due to his experience and wisdom. H2P 04:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I 100% agree!

I don't. So far Iroh has yet to use Blue Fire.

I agree as well. In a fight, the person who punches harder doesn't always win; typically its the one who has better skill and technique. I would have to argue that that would be Iroh in this case.--TriPredRavage 03:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Then again, you can't really make judgements of either of them since we really don't know Azula's or Iroh's total skill. However what we do know is that Azula is capable (and practicly did) beat the Avatar in battle (The Drill) The fact is, we really don't know if Iroh is better then Azula. We do know however is that Azula does have a better mastery of Fire the Iroh, as evident by her Blue Flames.

Sign your posts. Iroh might be able to bend blue fire but chooses not to as he rarely uses his firebending anyway. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 03:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Though he is powerful, Iroh is also passive. I agree that Iroh would be able to beat Azula in a 1 v 1 fair fight. Xenero 01:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't Believe Azula has "better control over flames". In firebending, emotion plays a key role in creating fire, and Azula is easily made angry. Her power comes from her adolescent hissy fits, and I would imagine that they come with some weaknesses as well. I strongly doubt that just because she makes a different color of fire, she is the strongest firebender to ever live. Even when aang is in the avatar state, his flames are red and orange (as in winter solstice). Azula's technique must have some detrimental effect that other firebenders are reluctant to embrace (the cost of having no heart, perhaps?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.61.200.253 (talk • contribs).

I think we've all agree that iroh could kick just about anybodys ass considering how he buffed up. Iroh seems ready to take on anyone now, due to the betrayal of Zuko (which might have have been the switch to get his aggresion)SxeFluff 14:34, 18 October 2007 (UTC)]] 9:39, 18 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by SxeFluff (talk • contribs)

azula's first appearance
on toph's page it specifies her first appearance is in a vision and and her first real appearance is later. shouldnt azula's then say that she first appeared for a brief moment in a flashback, but then later really in the series? or is that not the same thing? --Skuj 10:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Azula's first appearence was in the first episode. She is the representing character for Fire in the opening sequence,

Azul
Azul also means blue in portuguese so I put it down in Trivia.

The is the count. La is feminine for the in spanish. azul-a, azu-la!


 * It is clearly stated in the show that Azula is named after her grandfather, Azulon. I think this bit of trivia is somewhat misleading if we are to believe what the show tells us. I understand the conection between "azul" and "blue fire" but it would mean that the producers of the show named Azulon after Azula and her blue fire, instead of vice versa.ManniTheUnCanny 07:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Honestly I wouldn't doubt that they didn't name Azulon after Azula when writing the script. While writing the script they wanted to show that Azula was the prodigy or the more noble so they named her grandfather Azulon to show just that. IN THE SHOW, Azula is named after Azulon. However, when writing the script it could be the other way around. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 08:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, i'd have little doubt that the writers created Azulon's name based on Azula's. Just seems logical, both because of the meaning of her name and the simple fact that she's a central character, where as Azulon is more of a peripheral one. In-universe, she's named after her grandfather, but the relevant guidelines call for articles about fiction to be in a real life perspective.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

HEY
Daughter to Fire Lord Ozai, Azula is Zuko's 14-year-old younger sister. She's a lot like the typical "Little Miss Perfect" younger sister, only she's also a deadly Firebender. Azula has always been the favorite of the Fire Lord, and of everyone around her for that matter  everyone but Zuko, that is. Azula excels at her royal role  she is extremely gracious, smooth and put-together. An ideal Princess, she is also cold, calculating, and precise. Zuko will tell you that Azula is "lucky." Things just tend to turn out in her favor.

I keep adding this and someone deletes it. WHY???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

HEY, I guess no one taught you what plagarism is. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 05:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Come to think about it, the fire lord may like her better, but Zuko was actually the prefered one. Azula's fans include fire lored Ozai, and Ty Lee, while zuko's fans include Ursa, Iroh, probably Lu Ten, and Mai. Azulon is undecided, he called one of his grandkids` show a pomp, (show fit for a king) but it is unclear which one he directed it to.

Confused
I don't think the last piece of trivia is worth mentioning, yet. Just because it's in some Chineses cultures doesn't mean it aplies to the show. Also, Katara doesn't have bangs, yet we haven't added that. So unless something comes up in the show that proves me otherwise, I don't think it should be there. Momoroxmysoxoff 13:58 August 28

By the way, the trivia was "In chinese culture, bangs were a sign of being a singal virgen women. It's intresting to note that Azula has none, but she may not be bound to such customs due to her high social class." Those arent the exact words, but thats what it basically said.

Azula has bangs! Its those two locks of hair on either side of her face. Katara has bangs, though they are in the form of "hair loopies". Toph has bangs. -DJZutara and Taang FOREVER 04:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested Move
See Talk: Uncle Iroh to discuss. Please do not discuss the move here, follow the link.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Hair Color
Since it seems we always have something new to edit war over...start discussing here. Is Azula's hair brown or black?--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 17:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it's safe to call it brown. For reference, see: http://www.firebender.com/e3/images/343.jpg --tylonius 18:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a poor reference for calling it brown Tylonius, it's clearly black in that picture compared to Ty Lee's. Consider, , . Granted it's not as dark as Mai's, but it's black just like her Mother's, Father's, and Brother's. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 19:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I know Azula does has dark hair, but she doesn't have black. Zuko's hair is black. Mai's is black. And no offense or anything, but the pictures you have are darker in light, so of course her hair will appear darker. She doesn't have lighter brown like Ty Lee, but it isn't black. I know people (like my sister) who have dark hair, but it isn't black, it's just a darker shad of brown. Couldn't we say it's dark brown? Momoroxmysoxoff October 21, 20:00 2006
 * I agree 164.106.59.94 13:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Genetically speaking brown hair is possible if both parents had black hair (I think) so I'd agree with Dark Brown if for nothing else but to end this silly war and move on. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 14:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * To H2P: It's genetically possible. Both of my parents have black hair and I have brown. Momoroxmysoxoff 21:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

New image
I've been thinking for a while we could use a new image of Azula for this article. I did some digging for one, so, any one object to using this one?--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the current one more. Both images do what they're supposed to-provide a good profile shot. However, the current one just looks nicer in my mind, and seems to illustrate her normal demeanor better. I looked on avatarspirit some more, and came up with the following:

  

I like the first one best, personally. Y BCZ 00:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

...I like the current one. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 04:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the current one user: ZukosGal14

I like BCz seond one

I have uploaded a new image for azula. Let me know what you think. User: bbcj 11:57 p.m, 22 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.93.5 (talk)

HEY
Alright, I noticed that Azula is listed as a Firebending master. Isn't that false considering she was training to master lightning - as in she hasn't mastered it yet? Ture, she was called a prodigy, but she had trainers in the Avatar State, indecating that she hasn't actually mastered Firebending, otherwise they wouldn't be there. Xepeyon 02:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Azula may have been training, but it seems that she's at least among the top three Firebenders we've seen so far, the others being Firebending masters themselves-Iroh and Jeong Jeong. Of those two, only Iroh has displayed a technique (redirecting lightning) that Azula has not. Also, think back to the Agni Kai between Zhao and Zuko. Zhao was dubbed a Firebending master, even though he had left Jeong Jeong's teaching before it was completed. Zuko has managed to defeat Zhao twice, and Azula has shown that she is more skilled than Zuko on two separate occasions. Now, it should be noted that "mastery" does not necessarily correlate with skill (Zuko is not a master, yet he defeated Zhao). Technically we don't really know if Azula is truly a master or not-she could have completed her training with Lo and Li by this time. The fact that she's the only one to have used blue Firebending and Lightning in combat, however, indicates that she is on level with Firebending masters at the least. Y BCZ 03:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Being called a “Master” doesn’t mean you have no more to learn. Its just a title you can receive, there is always room to get better.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, after Masters you can still earn your Doctorate. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 23:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In accord with the issue of Azula's title, I request that it be changed from Firebending Master to Firebender. Y BCZ summed it up: Technically we don't really know if Azula is truly a master or not-she could have completed her training with Lo and Li by this time. The fact that she's the only one to have used blue Firebending and Lightning in combat, however, indicates that she is on level with Firebending masters at the least.

However powerful, we don't know if she's a master, and saying so without proof is speculation. The only thing indisputably confirmed is that she is a Firebender. Hence, I request the change. 74.167.170.215 04:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Despite my personal belief that she is, in fact, a Firebending Master, we've got nothing to support this belief (She's never been addressed as a Master, or even referred to herself as a such). Without a source, it's speculation. JBK405 04:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Static or Dynamic
Is Azula a static character or a dynamic characer? Richardkselby 04:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Static. Unless for some reason her personality is altered in season three. Momoroxmysoxoff 21:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

and i think that nick will probabley keep her as staticRichardkselby 03:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Start-class?
Okay, we seriously need to re-evaluate a lot of the Avatar articles. I think Azula is higher than start-class, at least B-class. It's the same with Aang and Zuko (and a few others). Bagpipeturtle 04:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Your definitely right. Azula has an article worthy of B-Class with all its info and formal tone. And she has more references than any other character. GeneralIroh (Leave a message after the beep if you gotta problem.) 20:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Relationship with Lu Ten
Why is that paragraph even there? The paragraph itself says that we don't know how Azula felt about Lu Ten (or vice-verca), nor have we seen any interaction between the two. I would delete it myself, but I believe it should be discussed here first. Objections to the sections' deletion? (11987 14:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC))
 * That's the family section of Azula's article. Lu Ten is part of her family. So yeah, objection. Y BCZ 17:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is the family section. But if we were to use that excuse, then where is Azulon? Azulon has interacted more with Azula (which is still not alot; she just demonstarted some Firebending for him), and her name comes from Azulon. Yet he is not there, while Lu Ten, a person who has not interacted with her at all, nor share any sort of connection (besides being related), is there. Lu Ten should be deleted. (11987 01:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC))

From what the viewer can see, she holds no regard to Lu Ten whatsoever. She also was not affected by her cousin's death. It kind of shows more of her sadistic attitude. However, I do agree with you that Azulon should be on her page too. Momoroxmysoxoff 20:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I see what your saying. Though that should be mentioned in his section. Ok, I agree it should stay, but Azulon should be added. (11987 08:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC))

Fictional psychopath
The psychopathy page states that sociopathy is caused by social conflicts or other outside sources rather than being born with it. From her apparent juvenile delinquency, I've concluded that Azula is more of a psychopath rather than a sociopath, though this might not be likely due to her lack of impulsive behaviors. What's your opinion? Cat&#39;s Tuxedo 12:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Her sadistic aggression and lack of remorse suggest that Azula could be a sociopath"

Agreed she is a psycho. Bluefire  princess  11:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Umm...psycho seems so strong...I mean she just wants power, glory, and the approval of everyone beyond the level of Zuko. I mean it's not like she would kill someone to accomplish this...wait... Okay how about 'crazy teenage bitch from hell who's time of the month would cause bad luck and misfortune to anyone who crosses her'? This just seems nicer.SxeFluff 14:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)]] 9:57, 18 October 2007

Considering I just saw 0ct. 19ths new episode, I think she's depressed subconsciously and a sociopath. Of course first and for most, she's a 'crazy teenage bitch from hell who's time of the month would cause bad luck and misfortune to anyone who crosses her'. Just saying...SxeFluff 01:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)]] 20:48, 19 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by SxeFluff (talk • contribs)

Betrayal
I know this is a bit obvious, but i think Azula is going to kill Zuko to fulfill her father's request. Wait, what i'm trying to say is even if zuko had never been banished, i think she would kill him secretly to inherit the throne. by the way azula is my least favorite character and zukos my favorite. RedwallFreak305 (April 27, 2007, 10:17 pm)
 * This is not the place to discuss this. Go to a forum. Bagpipeturtle 23:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with you, discussion of actual events in the series on talk pages is deprecated, but that was a bit blunt, wasn't it? --Kizor 00:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Just getting the point across, sorry if I seemed rude, but this isn't the place for that kind of discussion. Bagpipeturtle 01:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

He's right though, and i can't wait. She a Lesbian. B.Lax 17:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Of course! Lesbian... it's all making sense now. And here I thought she was just different, but it's more than that... I ain't gonna say nothin' more though, forums and all that.SxeFluff 15:00, 18 October 2007 (UTC)]] 10:04, 18 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by SxeFluff (talk • contribs)

Aang Relationship
Sorry, i guess i didn't realize what this page was for, plus i'm not old enough to get into a forum...anyway why is Aang under the relationship section? The only time the two talk is in The Chase and that's just a short conversation. Besides that they just fight. We all know Azula wants to kill him. RedwallFreak305 (May 7, 2007, 4:40 pm) ps. for Hot Firebending Princess: AZULA IS HOT & CUTE

She might kill you to for saying that, and I agree that is pretty much the extent of their relationship. Bluefire  princess  18:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

lol dude i wuz kidding :) RedwallFreak305 (June 9 2007, 10:04pm)

Fighting Style
Should Azula's unique fighting style be mentioned within the article? Her two finger attacks etc are like her trademark. (124.121.97.139 14:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC))

Yes I do. Bluefire  princess  21:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Theme Music
This is sort of retarded but have u noticed that Azula kinda has her own theme music? It is two high notes then a low one repeated over and over. RedwallFreak305, June 20, 2007, 12:24 am

Okay, first off, DO NOT SAY THINGS LIKE THAT!!!! It's extremly rude. Second off, yous lose credibility for commenting like that. Third off, well, actually there is no third off right now, I need to go do some digging to find what you are looking for. It sounds like a theme that's used a lot in the series, but do you know what episode it's in? Keyblade Mage 01:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

You just majorly pissed me. What was so rude about what i said? Also, the theme is a bit more detailed than i first descibed it. The theme appears in the Avatar State, Return to Omashu, Zuko Alone, The Chase, The Drill, Appa's Lost Days, The Guru, and CoD. Wait, were you talking about my Azula being hot and cute thing? (RedwallFreak305) (9-8-07 3:13 pm CEN) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.100.227 (talk) 20:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

umm... I think if a real person is attracted to fictional drawings then they have issues... and I noticed that theme music too...SxeFluff 15:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)]] 10:11, 18 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by SxeFluff (talk • contribs)

The Human brain is wired to recognize familiar shapes/patterns. It's hard to explain completely w/o a wall-o-text attack, and psychology lesson.

The wiring allows us to "Humanize" things that aren't Human, but have vaguely recognizable features. It lets us identify things like smily face icons, bacon & egg faces, images in clouds, and shit like that.

Being aroused by a picture, photograph, drawing, sprite, 3d model, etc. is perfectly normal. If however, you prefer the image over the real thing, then you have a problem. Obsession. Same goes for a mental image of your perfect or dream girl/guy. Dwelling too much on the proxy is unhealthy. (Tetra Vega, not signed in) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.197.124 (talk) 01:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * 1: You failed to see that I was kidding. Read my last comment on "Aang Relationship".
 * 2: I do NOT prefer an image of a girl to a real girl.
 * 3: I'm not a member so I dont care about credibility. (RedwallFreak305) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.100.227 (talk) 01:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The Blue Dragon
Over the past few days I've been going through the character pages of all the Avatar characters and deleting whatever "Trivia" sections there were, placing important info in other portions of the page and deleting the fluff. I think I've got it all, but I've run into some problems in finding places to put the important info; in Azula's case, her stint as the Blue Dragon in Zuko's dream in The Earth King. I think it's important enough to warrant continued inclusion on her page, but I've got no clue where, or how, it should be presented. So, I just made a section called "The Blue Dragon" and stuck it in the "Personality" section, 'cause nothing else seemed more applicable. Still, it's not the best place, or even a good section title, so I think it should be moved/merged with another section. Anybody have any ideas? JBK405 01:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that the Blue dragon is important enough to be included in the page. I think what you've just done is fine for the time being, unless it would be better to put it under Family, in Zuko's section? Most of the information there is about the Blue Dragon, though. Hm. Bagpipeturtle 01:55, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Can she be the dragon of the east? I mean Iroh was noted dragon of the west a couple of times in the show.-kayla july,23

The Dragon of the West was just Iroh's nickname, Azula's never been called anything similar. JBK405 00:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay but in her article "The blue dragon" section it said the blue dragon is known to be "The dragon of the East" she was the blue dragon in zuko's dream ,does that mean anything?-kayla july,24

Not particularly. Though they share common themes and a heavy influence, Avatar mythology and Chinese mythology are not one and the same. The Dragon of the West has, so far, been connected to nothing more than Iroh himself, until we get something else Azula isn't going to be known as the Dragon of the East. JBK405 03:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

the blue dragon represents one of the two sides of his choice (Iroh/Azula) I think it should go in the Zuko section. Pokejm32 march 20 2:22 pm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.91.113.31 (talk) 20:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually mentioning the dragon is going to far, but to mention she was a cause of serious distress for Zuko is good enough. Rau's talk 20:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Ruler?
I was just going to delete this, but the edit page requested to discuss the changes to her titles. I'm requesting the change of the title "Ruler of Ba Sing Se". It's Princess Azula, not Fire Lady Azula. She's no more the ruler of Ba Sing Se than she is the ruler of Omashu/New Ozai. True, she was the major factor in conquering it, but that city, along with everything else that's conquered by the Fire Nation, belongs to Fire Lord Ozai. Not Azula. 74.167.170.215 03:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC) --

Azula's blue flames
I know its just speculation, but i heard it a bunch of times and im wondering if its relevant to put on the page, but that Azula may have a piece of sozin's comet like in the form of a necklace or something, and thats why she's the only character in the show that can produce blue flame and lightning so easily without tiring, anyway, maybe just speculation but for me it explains a lot. Like not even iroh can do blue flames, or jeong jeong, and they are master fire benders.

kungfujack
 * I think Azula's blue fire just represents how intense she is when fighting, and she's a very skilled Firebender to begin with... We don't know that Iroh and Jeong Jeong can't produce it. We just haven't seen it from them. TakaraLioness 19:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

To kungfujack: no offense ,but I'd use a period or two in your sentences. I'm not a grammar freak or anything, but I think it would help understand what you're writing. It took me a while to understand what you meant. No offense dude. And I'm not convinced by that piece of sozin's comet stuff.SxeFluff 15:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)]] 10:20, 18 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by SxeFluff (talk • contribs)

galarcaf:
 * I normally don't edit or discuss anything in wikipedia so I apologize if my comment might be a tad unorthodox in format, but I thought I could perhaps shed some light (no pun intended) as to the nature of blue firebending.


 * I have worked with metal before, and have casted, forged, and welded; one of the tools at our disposal is the blowtorch which is fed by two big tanks containing propane and oxygen. Using the blowtorch is about as close to real-life firebending as one can get, and one starts by releasing propane and igniting it using a friction sparker, giving you a nice orange flame that rises gently. After you have the flame you release oxygen, gradually making the flame turn blue and making it shoot straight forward more forcefully. Fire is a chemical reaction and blue fire is hotter because there is much more of that reaction taking place; in short, blue fire burns oxygen much more efficiently.


 * One could make the connection between that and the emphasis of "proper breath control" that has been been mentioned in the show and it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that Azula probably has perfected proper breath control, I can also imagine perfect breath control is harder to attain at an older age in the case of Iroh and Jeong Jeong. While blue fire's connection to proper breathing is purely speculative, the fact that blue fire burns oxygen more efficiently is not, so I thought I might bring it up as an addition. Galarcaf (talk) 06:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

If anyone should have magical blue flames, don't you think it should be Ozei??? pokejm32(march 20 2:25 ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.91.113.31 (talk) 20:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ozai, and they arent magical blue flames. Do you even watch the show? Rau's talk 20:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

yes i watch the show,i meant that they are completely different from anything we seen,and very effective,if anyone should have such a great a powerful ability it should be Ozai

pokejm32(sighed out)(july 12 2:29) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.22.136 (talk) 07:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Who said Ozai can't do it? Who said that Azula was the only one? You're speculating. Rau's Speak Page 15:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Relationships
The relationship section in Aangs article has been removed due to being considered original research, only fair that Azula and all the other characters have their relationship sections removed as well, as all relationship content seems to be considered original research by Wikipedias standards. [/sarcasm]. Can anyone get the Aang relationship section back? 189.32.153.180 (talk) 23:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I have just found that all of the sections regarding Azula's relationships, save Mai and Ty Lee, have been deleted, including those of her family members. This hasn't happened on other pages, so might I ask why so many relationship articles are being edited or deleted? I suggest that at least her family relationships be restored.76.24.145.157 (talk) 20:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Azula2.JPG
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Trivial Information
There is too much detail and trivial information in Azula's plot summary. Seriously, there are opinions and hypothesis all over it. I've edited some of the useless information out of it, but it still needs to be cleaned up. Thanks! MisterZeppo (talk) 22:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Good article
How does everyone feel about trying to get this to Good article status? Maximillion Pegasus (talk) 21:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean no offense when I say this, but GOOD LUCK! This article literally has NO out-of-universe information. If you plan to take this seriously, first I recommend you delete the family section (Not trim-down. Simply edit the article and delete the section. There might be some facts you want to save so write those down first). Next, trim down the plot summaries to the bare basics. Do the same with the Allies section IF you decide to keep that. After, add a Concept and creation section, describing how Azula's character was made. In addition, make sure to obtain some more tertiary sources, since the only source that is not either to the show or Nick's website in this article is the Comic-Con 2005 coverage. I do not mean to be pessimistic, but look at the Aang article. It has gone through three unsuccessful GA nominations and is still not GA. In fact, a nomination is going on now and I am praying that we have enough out-of-universe info to satisfy the reviewers. (By the way, in addition to those instructions, you also might want to cleanup the article. I am not sure what might be wrong since I have not read it entirely, but I'm sure there is something to do.) Hopefully, all of the above will be possible and this article will someday make GA. Again, sorry if I sound disappointing or even rude, I just want to give you the truth about it. I suggest putting it to peer review to find any other problems other than the in-universe info. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 21:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I am all for trying, I was not much help with the Aang article, but would like to have this kind of achievement under my belt. It will take a while, but I am certain it can be done.  Rau  J16  00:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Currently, all of the episode links in the references except one point to Avatar: The Last Airbender (Season 1), Avatar: The Last Airbender (Season 2), Avatar: The Last Airbender (Season 3), or List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes. In the Aang article they point to avatarspiritmedia.net. Should the references in this article also point there? Maximillion Pegasus (talk) 00:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * First off, I want to apologize. I swear that the reply on this page did not show up on my watchlist. Anyway, I must say for Rauj16's sake that he did do a lot of good for Aang, so do not put youself down like that. As for the question: yes. The links should point to avatarspirit.com. If you want, I created special avatar reference templates, simply type . There is one bug, though. When the template is inserted, there is an extra line break that takes one more edit to fix the formatting. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 03:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It doesn't work, does it need any parameters?  Rau  J16  20:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What doesn't work? If you are talking about the template, it seems to work fine. I changed all the refs to avatarspirit.com. Does either one of y'all think you could help out in the creation and conception section? I don't really know enough in order to do it. Much appreciated either way. Maximillion Pegasus (talk) 21:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps i did not use it right. Oh well, so long as it worked. Thanks Parent(which i admit feels weird seeing as your neither my dad, or either of my moms)  Rau  J16  21:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, it would take a while to tell you how I got that name. As for the Creation and Conception section, I'm afraid I've searched the web hundreds of times for something on avatar, even if it was remotely related, and found nothing. Just try searching "Azula Avatar" or "Azula Creation" or "Azula character" or even "Azula creation and conception". You'll find something eventually. The main requirement is just a source. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 22:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * (DEDENT) I think it was Fyre who said it, but a source is meaningless if its false. I can write an entire website with fake information, and as long as it sounds real, its a source. But the source is false because the information is false. Oh, and the DVD's probably have some information on this.  Rau  J16  00:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hopefully I will be able to find something. Maximillion Pegasus (talk) 04:24, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What about her age? Maximillion Pegasus (talk) 04:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Here. Go to "Season 2" → "The Avatar State" → "Characters" → "Azula". It is in the first sentence. It says she is fourteen. Shame we cant directly source that. But I'll try.  Rau  J16  18:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Does that work? Its not perfect, but it is the best way i could think to do it off of the top of my head. If you have a better way, please change it.  Rau  J16  19:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have gotten a lot of the information in the article to a minimum; if you feel I have made any errors, please correct them. But do not forget to source, or I will remove it again.  Rau  J16  22:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Y'all have been hard at work while I have been gone. I am not very active on weekends, though very active on weekdays. Anyway, things look even better. Good job. Maximillion Pegasus (talk) 18:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It wasnt that hard, only problem is that we primarily use two sources. That will never warrant a good rating. We need to branch out, use multiple sources for one thing. NOT Nick and the episodes. Is Distant Horizon any good? I know its a fansite, but so is AvatarSpirit. Rau's talk 18:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be good if the three season sections were merged into one since the first two are not large enough to really get their own sections. --Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 21:00, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, i agree. Rau's talk 00:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Should we merge the History and Plot Overview sections? I think that they can fit under a "Fictional Character Biography" section like comic book characters have. Rau's talk 18:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I put the History section under the Plot overview section. It might need a little cleaning though. Sorry for just now getting to this. I have been busy this past week. Maximillion Pegasus (talk) 16:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Musical Theme
I added information on her musical theme, but I'm not sure where it goes so I added it to her personality section; although it could go in "Creation and Conception" now that I think about it. But if someone could help get it further away from copyright infringement, that'd be great. Rau's Speak Page 21:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * This is trivial information and has nothing to do with the main storyline. All the characters have their own music associated with them, but you don't see any of the other character pages with that information.  MisterZeppo (talk) 15:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The articles can't focus only on the plot of the show. If that were the case, the characters wouldn't need articles. We would just have on giant play-by-play article. The information isn't trivial as it shows part of the characters creation. It is very relevant to that aspect of the character. The reason the other characters don't have this kind of information is because I don't remember finding it. Rau's Speak Page 23:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Titles
I think that somewhere there should be information about her titles since it's good information about her. They used to be on the page but were taken down.--Animefan2 (talk) 09:23, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * They were never on the article. There isn't even a parameter for that. Only a "position" one and that is for out of universe positions. Rau's Speak Page 10:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well it was tecnically in the sidebox. I've even seen some articles that has the character sidebox with in-universe and outside-universe information on it.--71.133.126.44 (talk) 05:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If you can find some examples and post them here, then we will consider changing it. I already have some ideas for what it might be like. — Parent5446 (t [ n] e [ l]) 12:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Crown Princess?
Is Azula actually referred to as "crown princess" in the series? Zuko is sometimes called the crown prince, but I don't seem to recall anything but "Princess Azula" for her. A crown prince or princess is an heir apparent; it's not just a name. In the real world, there is by definition only one per monarchy at a time. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Azula is the heir apparent, as Zuko was banished, then fled the Fire Nation. And Iroh lost the crown to Ozai. Rau's Speak Page 14:44, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, that makes sense, but does anyone in the series actually say "Crown Princess Azula"? It's not automatic.  Does figuring that she was probably named Crown Princess once Zuko left fit Wikipedia's definition of original research? Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably, but I don't see why it hurts (I hate claiming OR). It's logical procession, there was only one possible heir after Zuko was banished, and then he fled. Unless Ozai is more popular with the ladies than he lets on (now thats OR). Rau's Speak Page 15:32, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but it is still us making assumptions about how the story works. "Crown Prince" doesn't just mean "heir." It's an official title. A lot of cultures in real life require the leader to come out and say that a given son or daughter is the heir apparrent before that person is given the crown prince or princess equivalent title.  Even though Charles was the oldest son, he still had to be named "Prince of Wales" before he was the crown prince in the English system.  That happened when he was ten years old.  We don't see anything one way or another about whether the Fire Nation is like that or not, but we have seen that "Crown Prince" is an official title there.  Let's just call her "princess." That's beyond dispute. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh.. See, I didn't know that. Rau's Speak Page 16:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
Ok, the vandalism has been undone. Let's not let that happen again. Lhikan 15:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

For those who don't know what I'm talking about, someone deleted all the stuff on the actual article, and replaced it with a poorly-written massive single paragraph. I've undone it, and I want to know if this has happened to any other Avatar pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhikan (talk • contribs) 15:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Frequently. Good job reverting it. Rau's Speak Page 16:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)