Talk:B&H Photo/Archive 1

Copied Text
I don't know how much of it, but at least fairly long sentence is copied word for word from the news articles it references. The one I noticied specifically was "B&H opened as a storefront film shop on the Lower East Side run by Herman Schreiber and his wife, Blimie (the store's name comes from their initials)."(http://www.nysun.com/article/48034?page_no=2) Yincrash 21:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

"Possibly" largest in the United States
The article says it is "possibly" the largest but the source cited has no support for this. Frankly I don't know of any stores that could possibly be larger--the only one that comes to mind in L.A. is Samy's Camera, but I think they're more of a rental house. My fix would be to delete the "possibly" and simply cite a sales volume number. Robert K S 15:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It may not be available, since it's closely held. However, who probably works there, will be feeding me whatever WP:RS he has, so we may find an approximation there. See his talk page and my talk page. - crz crztalk 19:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Can someone mention that the store's website is also closed on holidays?
 * In response to this unsigned comment. The line "The online store is also closed during these times. " has been added to the article. It's also worth mentioning that the website features a count-down timer as to when online orders will be processed, which is 6:30 P.M. Eastern time on Saturday. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 16:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

The website is not closed during shabbos - you can surf it all you want. Just can't place orders. "closed" implies "unavailable" when a retail store closes you can't go in even to browse. I don't like the word "closed" perhaps "open, but not taking orders" would be better? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.77.206.228 (talk) 14:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Overhead conveyor system
The wiki page should mention something about the famous overhead conveyor system at the Manhattan store. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.149.184.134 (talk) 05:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I am willing to snap some shots of it if anyone can write about it, since english is not my native language. jjj —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.122.188.56 (talk) 17:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * If someone provides the rough text and some references relating to the notability of the conveyor system, I would be happy to add it to the article. If you need help uploading your images to Commons (which is the proper place for them) please let me know. – ukexpat (talk) 18:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

RE: external links #3 & 4 have absolutely nothing to do with B & H Foto and Electronics Corp.
B&H is a privately owned company, so Google earnings has nothing to do with it. The other article is also pointless, because it has nothing to do with the store.

B & H Foto and Electronics Corp is the largest photo store in THE WORLD! not just the country. It's 70,000 Square feet and covers the entire block on 9th avenue from 33rd to 34th street. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.109.208 (talk) 02:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you mean references?  Enigma  message Review 02:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you even read reference three? It very clearly supports the in article claim which it is referencing. "The men, meanwhile, board yellow school buses every morning and ride to New York City, to jobs in the diamond district or at B & H, the photo and video store near Herald Square." Many who live in Kiryas Joel, New York bus into work at B & H AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 04:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * And regarding the google reference - again, it clearly supports the claim that B & H uses the google checkout. Which was high profile at the time. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 04:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't verify footnote on "...orders are not taken until Saturday evening"
I added failed verification to the footnote on the sentence "The website is open but orders are not taken until Saturday evening." because I couldn't find any reference to such a fact in the cited article. The cited article says, "The company employs 800 to 900 people, many of them religious Jews. The store closes each Friday afternoon until Sunday in observance of the Sabbath, and on about a half-dozen Jewish holidays each year." But it doesn't contain the word "site" or "website" anywhere in it. It would be appreciated if someone could please find a new source to cite. Cheers, --unforgettableid | talk 22:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This is from the bottom of B&H's website: "Please note that B&H does not process web orders from Friday evening to Saturday evening." Yossiea (talk) 01:31, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've used that text to create a new footnote. Best wishes, --unforgettableid | talk 01:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Site remains online during Shabbat?
I realize not processing orders on Friday (night) - Saturday (day), as well as on holidays, is in observance of Jewish law, but wouldn't full adherence require the site go offline? Computers are still being used on Shabbos by having the site remain accessible. --74.90.94.203 (talk) 16:21, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * A website can remain operational as long as no Jews are operating the computers during Shabbat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.174.182 (talk) 04:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Surpassed only by the Diamond District in terms of Orthodox employment...
What reference supports this statement? I read reference #4 and it only mentions that they drive in on a bus (in the next sentence) but not that it's "Second only to the Diamond District in terms of Orthodox employment." MarkTAW (talk) 21:39, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

photo of interior
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/test/7/7b/Video_department_at_B%26H.jpeg feel free to migrate Victor Grigas (talk) 04:37, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Notability
Notable store. Re-created by me from scratch, rewritten to eliminate A7 G11 G12 issues, after several COI-laden attempts by new users evidently affiliated with the store. - crz crztalk 17:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there any policy about when it is appropriate to delete items from Talk Page which may have been accurate at some historical time but are now prima facie inaccurate? This whole discussion is mooted by the current version of the article. According to WP:CORP, "An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. "  The article itself includes references to coverage of B&H in:
 * - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Archived from the original on 2006-05-16.
 * - New York Times. (Santos, Fernanda (2006-08-27). "Reverberations of a Baby Boom".)
 * - The New York Sun. (Karni, Annie (2007-02-05). "B & H Photo Emerges as a N.Y. Institution".)
 * - US Govt Agency ("EEOC and B & H Reach $4.3 Million Settlement in National Origin Discrimination Case". EEOC. 2007-10-16.)
 * - New York 1 ("Gadget Retailer Faces Discrimination Suit". NY1. 2009-11-19. )
 * - Village Voice ("B&H Photo Sued For Talmudic Discrimination Against Women". 2009-11-19.
 * - NY Times (Eligon, John (2009-11-18). "It Was Some Day in Court For Ampersand".)
 * - gothamist ("B&H Photo Sued Again For Discriminating Against Employees". Retrieved 17 June 2014.)
 * - NY Daily News (Ross, Barbara. "B and H Photo discriminated against us, say 2 Hispanic employees in lawsuit". 17 June 2014.)
 * There can't be much argument that the store has been the "subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources." So can someone just delete this whole entry on "notability"? OR is that not really kosher, so to speak.Tpkaplan (talk) 17:14, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * How is it notable? There a thousands of stores like it, which pros use. No references, therefore by policy it is NOT notable. As a business, fails WP:CORP
 * Good questions for AfD... not CSD G11. Or A7. Or whatever. You must be kidding... - crz crztalk 17:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not kidding. Have you read the letter from the Foundation? Spam is to be aggressively attacked. Akradecki 17:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes I have. HAVE YOU READ WP:CSD? [obscenities removed]!! - crz crztalk 17:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have. Before Nawlin got to it and dramatically improved it, it looked, to me, like it fully met "Pages which exclusively promote a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic." Akradecki 17:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have. Before Nawlin got to it and dramatically improved it, it looked, to me, like it fully met "Pages which exclusively promote a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic." Akradecki 17:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If I might re-start this conversation as a disinterested third party, I can say that this is a notable store for the many reasons cited in the article (predominantly Jewish workforce, unorthodox Orthodox workdays, unrivaled sales volume). Further, the article doesn't taste like spam, it tastes like information. Anybody who says otherwise should go pick on the Sears and J.C. Penney articles. Edited to add: I see my contribution to the discussion is moot since the article has been improved much since the above discussion took place. Robert K S 15:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And even the first revision which Akradecki attacked was spam-free! - crz crztalk 19:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Advert Tag
Can we delete this tag? In my opinion, this does not read like an advertisement. And in my opinion, these tags generally do more harm than good. They divert the reader's attention and, worse, they encourage him to waste time making entries in talk pages. Whose opinion is dispositive in deciding whether to delete it? Can I just delete it? If no one comments, I might go ahead and delete it.Tpkaplan (talk) 17:14, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I removed the tag, it doesn't seem to read like an advertisement at this time -- Versa geek  14:52, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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