Talk:B'nai B'rith

Odd concentration on the Canadian Wing?
It seems strange that only a brief summary of the American B'nai B'rith is present and followed by an extensive and somewhat random description of the Candian B'nai Brith which is around 3 times longer. Nothing wrong with Canadians, I am one myself, but this seems more than a little bit unbalanced and weird. Zabby1982 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. In particular, the Aptowitzer-Elmasry incident is really a digression from the main article.  Perhaps B'nai Brith Canada should have its own article, or (better) this article should be expanded to include more information about B'nai B'rith International and its member organizations in other countries. David Cohen 19:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * For other editors reading this, B'nai Brith Canada since became its own article. I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 11:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

bias
An organization which is involved in the "promotion of human rights" and is also "a vocal supporter of Israeli policies." Any sane person can see an overt contradiction on those two statements. For the sake of readers who are not familiar with these issues please review your article, or add a 'disputed neutrality' sign on it. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.75.254.114 (talk &bull; contribs) 09:18, 13 October 2005, UTC.

I have removed the "fighting racism" mention as the group actively supports Israel, and openly promotes anti-Arab views in the media every day. While I will maintain it does its part to combat anti-Semitism, it does not really seem to fit the definition of a group opposing racism. Nlsanand 00:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

My edit regarding the exclusion of the "racism" was reverted without any real explanation. I have eliminated it, as B'Nai Brith is really only a group that fights anti-Semitism. To say "what it considers to be racism" is really just saying that it fights against anti-Semitism, it cares primarily about Jews and not really other cultures. Furthermore, its promotion of Zionism is definitely an example of how it promoting "racism" through support of the Israeli. Therefore, to characterize it as anti-racist even with the correct provisos is still fundamentally misleading. I have changed it back here. Please address any comments on this in the Talk Page. Nlsanand 03:54, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I really opposed only removal of "what it considers". It is exactly the NPOV way of saying that. If that is the stated goal of this organization, it should be mentioned. Maybe even better would be "The stated goals of B'nai B'rith are: ..." --Magabund 09:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

misleading text
The following excerpt from the article page may be misleading and is not a direct quote of what Dr. Mohamed Elmasry actually said, rather it is an interpretation made by the author:

"Dr. Mohamed Elmasry insisted that all Israeli citizens over 18 years old were legitimate targets for Palestinian suicide bombers because they might join the Israeli army."

It is more accurate to state that it is a mandatory requirement that all Israeli citizens 18 years and over (with a few exceptions) must join the IDF. The use of "may join" is misleading because it implies that Israeli's are making a free will choice to join or not, which is simply untrue.

The transcript of what Elmasry said is available here, and should be referenced for completeness.

Partial transcript:

ELMASRY: I'm saying that it has to be totally innocent, OK? Totally innocent are the children, obviously, OK? But they are not innocent if the army [inaudible] in civilian clothes, OK?

COREN: What about women?

ELMASRY: The same, if they are women in the army...

COREN: Anyone over the age of 18 in Israel is a valid target.

ELMASRY: Anybody above 18 is a part of the Israeli army...

COREN: So everyone in Israel and anyone and everyone in Israel, irrespective of gender, over the age of 18 is a valid target?

ELMASRY: Yes, I would say.


 * easily fixed by changing "may join" to "may be in". Not everyone over 18 is in the Israeli army. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by David Cohen (talk • contribs) 18:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

Can someone in the know add B'nai B'rith in the International Phonetic Alphabet?
--Greasysteve13 07:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Done! [finally!] Tomertalk 07:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Controversies
I've seen many accusations leveled at an "Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith", ranging from the absurd (old blood libels) to the plausible (Mafia connections in New York City). Could some clarification be added if B'nai B'rith and ADLBB are separate? Or could some list of controversies be created? (Even if only to debunk looney accusations.) --64.232.164.38 23:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I've heard of a lot of weird stories too. It's difficult to find sources for these stories though, and it's even more difficult to present them as valid, unbiased and accurate. ADM (talk) 02:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

They seem to be getting a lot of negative press in the Canadian press lately but shockingly (not), the main article is totally biased, its as if it was written by a member of this society and contains no mention of any controversy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.230.190 (talk) 07:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Role in Jewish-Christian dialogue
Certain scholars of inter-religious dialogue have written about the role that B'nai B'rith has played in the modern Jewish-Christian relationship. It would be a good thing if this could somehow be mentioned in the article. ADM (talk) 09:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

File:B'nai B'rith membership certificate 1876.jpg to appear as POTD soon
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Criticism?
Why is there no criticism section? B'nai Brith is hyper-Zionist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mizanthrop (talk • contribs) 03:32, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * so? --129.11.249.211 (talk) 17:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

It does seem a little unlikely that an organisation such as this can last 170 odd years and not have endured any controversies or criticism worth noting in an encylopedia article. 202.78.155.203 (talk) 03:49, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Criticism must not be allowed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.160.57 (talk) 16:56, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

1977 Hanafi siege
What does the siege have to do with B'nai B'rith? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.163.139 (talk) 23:40, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

The relationship between the 1977 Hanafi siege and B'nai B'rith is obviously that it was the B'nai B'rith headquarters was one of the three targets seized by the N.O.I. terrorists. 96.244.74.253 (talk) 19:02, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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Problem in the lead?
In the lead it states that "the organization's historic roots stem from a system of fraternal lodges and units in the late 20th century". The body of the article states that the original society was founded in New York in 1843 - in which case the lead should seemingly read "late 19th century". Is the lead correct please - does anybody know for sure? Wdford (talk) 17:10, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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discrepancy in edit of 3 February 2012
I was reviewing the cited source for the claim that B'nai B'rith Women renamed itself to Jewish Women International, breaking off from B'nai B'rith, in 1988, but the source claims that the name change occurred in 1995. I located the edit which added this content: Revision of 18:09, 3 February 2012. While this could merely be an isolated discrepancy, but since there is no obvious change to the cited source that would explain this discrepancy, I feel that the entire edit is suspect and in need of review (or reversion). Any differing opinions, or hopefully, volunteers to help in reviewing this edit? Fabrickator (talk) 19:37, 2 April 2020 (UTC)