Talk:Béarn

Distracting blank spaces
Formatting that encases the framed table of contents in text, in just the way a framed map or image is enclosed within the text, is now available: in the HTML does the job.

Blank space opposite the ToC, besides being unsightly and distracting, suggests that there is a major break in the continuity of the text, which may not be the case. Blanks in page layout are voids and they have meanings to the experienced reader. The space betweeen paragraphs marks a brief pause between separate blocks of thought. A deeper space, in a well-printed text, signifies a more complete shift in thought: note the spaces that separate sub-headings in Wikipedia articles.

A handful of thoughtless and aggressive Wikipedians revert the "TOCleft" format at will. A particularly aggressive de-formatter is User:Ed g2s

The reader may want to compare versions at the Page history. --Wetman 20:00, 9 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Is it really necessary to spam this everywhere? And is a table of contents not meant to be separate from the rest of a text? A table of contents is found at the beginning of a book in a separate section, not on the first page with the main text. This is hardly worth warring about. Adam Bishop 20:58, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

controversial ?
The Béarn page currently contains this text: "Although Béarn was included in the original borders of France as established by the Treaty of Verdun in 843, its inclusion in the kingdom was controversial"

I think that this is unlikely to be true. The incusion of the territory that was to become the southern (ie Spanish) part of kingdom of Navarre was probably contraversial because it was south of the pyrenees mountain range, difficult to reach and hardly controlled. But the future viscounty of Béarn was very much to the north of the pyrenees and yet to emerge as a distinct territory. It would first be an undistinct part of Vascony before becoming a viscounty 200 years later.

Alternatively, it could be that the inclusion of the whole south western region south of the Adour ... or even south of the Garonne was contraversial. The Vascons (Basques) captured the area from the Francks which became known as Vascony, Gascony.

--83.193.236.119 13:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC) Neil McCarthy

Add the Borgias?
Maybe Rodrigo Borgia / Pope Alexander VI should be added to "People from Béarn"?--99.11.160.111 (talk) 02:39, 25 April 2011 (UTC)


 * U cud be onto something. Please say why? 2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:D026:DB22:D58:636D (talk) 02:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Writing New Sections?
I am writing an article on the various administrations of Béarn. I am torn between writing one or more separate articles for them, or to incorporate them into this page for Béarn.

Specifically, the pages I am writing pertain to:


 * the Chancery of Navarre (St. Palais) including the office of the Prosecutor and Attorney General (also for Béarn),
 * The Conseil Souverain
 * Its successor, the Parlement de Navarre (in Pau)
 * The Chambres des Comptes (of Pau, Nérac...)

These are not long articles, at least not initially...and perhaps not ever.

How would you feel about seeing these incorporated into your page, which already mentions them? Or, would you rather see them under one article related to the Administration of Béarn, or perhaps even separate articles for each one?

I recently translated the article from French into English and created the page on English Wikipedia for "Estates of Béarn", which is probably the closest to what the above page or pages might end up looking like.

Thank you in advance for your answer! Rick Larsen (talk) 11:07, 15 April 2016 (UTC)