Talk:Bōgu

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Are we sure about the writing? I know the hanja for hogu is 護具 and kind of would expect it to be the same in kanji.Kbarends 14:06, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hogu is a Korean pronunciation of Bōgu. That's a local pronunciation or name. If you want to ask about something of kumdo, please move to kumdo article which is a better place. Applepeeler 21:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The question is more: Do Japanese and Koreans use the same 'Chinese characters' for the bogu/hogu? (what I would expect) or are these different as well? Kbarends 08:00, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Excessive rigor with need of "citations"
Folks, I believe that, when dealing with traditional practices like kendo, we should be less draconian with the "citation needed" policy. For example, anyone that stepped in a dojo knows that there's no regular strike aimed at the tare region, that exists only to protect the body from (very commom) accidental strikes. That is basic pratical knowledge, so basic I doubt that anyone even wrote about it. We can easily find written doctrine that in kendo there are four regular areas of strike, men, do, kote and tsuki, but not where they are "not" supposed to be aimed. How to citate practical knowledge? You cannot treat practical martial arts knowledge - although you can with martial arts history or theory - and academic research the same way. The article about verifiability states that "This policy requires that all quotations and anything challenged or likely to be challenged be attributed in the form of an inline citation that directly supports the material". Anyone challenges this? Or the alleged use of zekken? Douglasdnn (talk) 17:52, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I completely agree with you and have just removed many of them. I think it would be good to have a few more citations on the differences between naginata and kendo equipment, but I only really have Kendo references.  Francis Bond (talk) 02:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Should this page say anything about kendo's close relative budo?
Jukendo, naginatado, tankendo, and Jodo all use basically the same armor with minor additions like shinpads or extra padding over the heart and left side and using only one kote in jukendo. I don't remember if Nagi is part of the ZNKR but even if some of them aren't, they are so closely compatible that Isshu-jiai and mixed keiko/jigeiko happen intermittently if not regularly every year. Jukendo and tankendo are probably the closest, as tankendo is based on european detached bayonet fighting that wasn't quite good enough for the Japanese. There are also kata for many or all of the combinations, including I think the bokken v shoto kata which are part of advanced kendo shinsa (starting at Yondan?) are technically also tankendo kata, part of the point of jodo is an equipment advantage against swordsmen, and the rest, if not widely taught here in Japan, a similar situation exists with the nito-ryu kata that the nito-enthusiast Musashikai teaches that I can't remember if they are official at the renmei level or not and any "missing" ZNKR kata are certainly exist in the various independent koryu and for anyone who like me is too old to have a notable shiai career who is more interested in learning a breadth of this family of arts like the kamae that were depreciated by the focus on shiai kendo or what you're supposed to do if you have a jodo staff and someone attacks you with a daito and shoto or just one sword but uses moves into and attacks from gedan, hasso, or waki, or how to do police-kendo specific stuff like ashi-barai (tripping) or straight up forgotten waza that are pretty much only in Sasaburo's Kendo Kyohon like orishiki-do which is the kneeling strike that would be very useful to know for isshu-jiai with naginata and to actually score oriishiki-tsune that barely survives in one of the kata, (I've never seen anyone do it quite like Sasaburo's description, understandably because landing on your knee on a wood floor would be agonizing) and it's so difficult to maintain ki-ken-tai-no-ichi and/or show convincing zanshin that I have no idea how long it's been since anyone did it yuko-datotsu much less such that two shimpan award ippon. May well have been pre-occupation or in an underground shiai while budo were banned.

I'm a bit busy with some life shit to learn wikiformatting any time soon myself and properly add a better synthesis of all that stuff, but if my entry here motivates someone to to look for rigorous citations of my assertions and speculation, the isshu-jiai videos KendoWorld has on their youtube channel (if it matters, I have no relationship or association with them except maybe subscribing to the channel, which as of this writing I hadn't done yet but in the process convinced myself I want to do so) should be sufficient citation of the cross competition, even if some of the combinations are missing, I think shinai kendo touches all the other ones directly and there's certainly no reason to conclude any of the combinations lacking video evidence are impossible, it's very likely it's only a lack of interest or cross-qualified shimpan. If the consensus ends up being that such information should be included but that the videos aren't sufficently rigorous for the conclusions I can get SWIM to write a blog post or posts going into a more prose form more detail on my above points would be enough to not still be original research (and it's really just some perhaps original synthesis I don't have time right now to find the various resources I got the information from. Mostly kendo-world, kenshi247, and conversations with a few sensei I could understand still being original research for your purposes though by common non-jargon usage I don't think those are the same thing and that only the hearsay from my instructors is legitimately original research unless I write about it and somebody else thinks it's good enough to use) Anyway, other than clarifying any of the above or helping find a source to cite, I promise the next time I'll feel like contributing I'll try to learn the markup before making another thing like this.

Happy editing.119.104.30.4 (talk) 05:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)