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B.I is the leader of iKon right? Kiddo alien (talk) 05:00, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2019
In the table that is provided stating the rapper's information, there needs to be a slight correction. The "Years Active" portion says 2013-present. Please correct it to 2013-2019. This is following the scandal that happened on June 12th, 2019. KyoshiroTasya (talk) 00:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: There is no evidence that he has retired from the entertainment industry. ℯ xplicit 01:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2019
B.I is not a member of Ikon Hi it&#39;s me ya girl (talk) 20:23, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 20:24, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 12 March 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. -- Calidum 21:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

B.I (rapper) → B.I – Nothing else called B.I with that punctuation. Small differences matter Troll Control (talk) 21:54, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Too ambiguous, not even small details make a difference in this case. Ə XPLICIT 02:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. No one would be expected to know that "B.I" leads to the rapper while "B.I." leads to the dab page. Ambiguous, and those WP:SMALLDETAILS are too small, honestly. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:40, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * People who know about the rapper will type "B.I", and people looking for other things will most likely type "B.I." If they erroneously forget the last . they will still be able to find that dab page via a hatnote. Troll Control (talk) 00:14, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No primary topic here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:40, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

B.I's Drug Charges
Before it had said something about 3years, and now it's 4years? 41.114.204.62 (talk) 12:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Labels in the infobox
Hello,

I just changed the  parameter of the infobox again, and this might need some explaining.

Per the template description (Template:Infobox_musical_artist), the list should start with the oldest label, so I put it back in chronological order.

I was wondering how to deal with IOK Music, and erasing it as I first did may not have been the right way... But writing  makes it look like he first joined IOK Music then left and moved to 131, which I find misleading.

The example "for individual musicians" in the template page is interesting, actually. It shows the case of a label (MonarC) under another one (Island). It goes. Not sure if it's the best solution, but I tried to imitate this with. It's a bit complicated, but hopefully acceptable since it's still short? DriftingLill (talk) 10:23, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

What should be included in the list of B.I's MVs?
I can't imagine a list of B.I's MVs without BTBT performance film, since it's his most viewed MV to date. But he released so many other videos that are not listed in the "Videography" section, yet could fall under the term music video as well, even though it's not written "MV" in their title either. Their directors are not always known, but they're often mentioned either in the end credits of the MV or the album's liner notes.

Should the list include MVs for non-single tracks? What about performance films and live clips? Animation films? Visualizers and lyrics videos? Videos that don't show the whole song, such as Keep The Fire Alive or even Waterfall track films? I wouldn't go as far as listing the latter one by one, but they could be included as a whole, especially when we know who directed them (Yeom Woo-jin and AFF, according to the liner notes). Same thing for Love or Loved Part.1 live clips (by Spring Kim).

I think it would be interesting to broaden the list, because this variety of MVs highlights different aspects of B.I's work, but I'm not sure how far we should go...

- DriftingLill (talk) 14:29, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @DriftingLill We're a WP:NOTDATABASE, only include noteworthy ones and must be reliably sourced per WP:VERIFY, using the video source itself or album/EP's liner notes or website of director/producer/companies/etc. Also look around other popular (why popular ones because they get more editors attention hence are better maintained) Korean's artist Wikipedia's article for reference and to ensure consistency.  — 🍊 Paper9oll  🍊 (🔔 • 📝)  15:24, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Paper9oll Thanks for your advice. The issue isn't the theory, rather how we should implement it so this particular list makes sense (readers shouldn't wonder why some videos were or weren't included) and actually helps understand B.I's work, with the right amount of information. Do you know any good MV list we could use as reference? B.I is a soloist under his own label, the executive producer of his MVs, and has a lot of high quality videos which are not standard MVs - performance films, live clips, visualizers, etc. - for his singles and some B-sides as well. Keep The Fire Alive is a good example, it showcases two B-sides of Cosmos, "Alive" and "Flame", and the choreography for "Flame". Other examples would be this animation film for the single "Midnight Blue", this lyric video for the single "Lost at Sea", this visualizer for the B-side "Illusion", this live clip for the B-side "Endless Summer", this dance performance film for the B-side "Waterfall", and so on.
 * - DriftingLill (talk) 22:40, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @DriftingLill Other than reading WP:NOTDATABASE which is very vague, also read on WP:INCOMPLETE which answered your concern of "readers shouldn't wonder why some videos were or weren't included", you may also include this   (as suggest by WP:INCOMPLETE) in the Videography section if you feel it's helpful for readers that are unfamiliar with how English Wikipedia works. As for "Do you know any good MV list we could use as reference", to be neutral, I'm not going to give you any however I've already given you hints above on which artists' article to reference from to get an idea. For those linked videos, they fall under   subsection with the same guidelines and/or policies applies.  — 🍊  Paper9oll  🍊 (🔔 • 📝)  13:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The Dynamic list template is meant for lists that are at risk of being outdated because the frequency of change is too high for editors to keep up, right? If so, this shouldn't be a problem for the list of B.I's MVs. What I was trying to say was that the title of the list (or its description if we feel the need to add one) should clearly state what's in it and what's not, so it doesn't look incomplete even if it's up to date. This is not the case right now - at least not for me -, because all the videos I linked above (and many more) are actual music videos according to Wikipedia's definition. It looks like the term "MV" has a narrower scope in K-pop, and expressions such as "visualizer", "lyric video", "performance film", "live clip", etc. are used instead for some specific music videos. I really don't know how to define a K-pop MV, though. It seems to depend on the label, the year, even the act... I wouldn't go there and rather choose criteria that are well suited to B.I's work.
 * If I had to answer my own question, I would include every music videos that (1) was published by B.I's label and (2) either is the main music video for a single or was directed by someone we know of through a reliable source. I was wondering if other editors had a different view, especially @Bostonite01310 who created the list in the first place.
 * - DriftingLill (talk) 22:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree that B.I's videography includes a lot of high quality videos. For example, both his Waterfall live and performance film videos were directed by Mother Media, who also directed his illa illa MV. But I too don't have a clear idea of what an MV stands for in Kpop. I have only listed important videos from his lead singles in the MV section for now. The reason I did not include the Midnight Blue animation video, even though it's a lead single, is because B.I doesn't appear in it in person. I think B.I has enough videos to warrant a videography page of his own, where all of his videos can be listed in order.   Bostonite01310 talk 01:30, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I have started a draft/sandbox for B.I's videography, feel free to make your edits here. This could potentially become the main article, and only important videos can be highlighted on his main page. Bostonite01310 talk 02:22, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

@DriftingLill You seem to misread WP:INCOMPLETE but yet seem to have read correctly, regardless, you were worried that readers may feel lost on why some videos are not included hence I pointed you there, of which if you were click Template:Dynamic list, the wording of that template if added onto the article actually addressed your concern, of which if you were to ask me, I wouldn't include it either not because it doesn't make sense but simply because I feel it's unnecessary and inconsistent. ''In the preceding sentences, album refers to either studio album or extended plays or single albums or other forms of albums like compilation. Label refers to the agency, regardless of solo or small-sized or medium-sized or big-sized. Single refers to the lead single or title track. Non-single refers to other songs that isn't the lead single or title track in the album(s).'' So what is what, by the current standard that is consistent across various Korean artists' article, what falls under the Music videos table are most commonly (if not, always) single and rarely non-single as label would rarely release music videos for non-single. Other forms of "music"-videos such as lyrics, visualizer, performance, highlight, stage, live, dance practice, etc falls under the Other videos table. Whoever directed the video doesn't matter on which table to be inserted into, however if the subject is the director of the music video but the subject is not the lead singer nor the featured singer (meaning the subject doesn't appear in the song at all) then that falls under a subsection of  of either the Music videos section and/or Other videos section, similarly to the   and/or   segregation.  — 🍊 Paper9oll  🍊 (🔔 • 📝)  14:10, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bostonite01310 Please note that we don't do such things of "only important videos can be highlighted on his main page", no same table should exists in two articles regardless of whether it's cut down version or not. What should be included in the main article's videography section is normally just a hatnote link to the videography article.  — 🍊 Paper9oll  🍊 (🔔 • 📝)  14:18, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Clarification regarding White Noise Club
White Noise Club is a group of producers under the label 131. The below excerpt is from 131's website.

"Together with the producer crew ‘White Noise Club’ joined by B.I, MILLENNIUM, SIHWANG, Padi, and KIM CHANG HOON, the 131 (ONE THREE ONE) A&R and creative teams partake in producing musical and visual content across genres beyond K-POP and R&B."

White Noise Club's Instagram page is here. Their new "voice project" as a group will be released on February 10, 2023.

Therefore I've added that B.I is a current member of White Noise Club (as a producer) but my edits were removed stating, "Actual groups and as an actual member only." Can someone please clarify what does an "actual group" mean? Bostonite01310 talk 16:59, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bostonite01310 I removed it, actual groups equals musical groups of which iKon is one of it which was I didn't remove it, whereas for White Noise Club and YG Family (alongside SMTOWN, JYP Nation, etc), I remembered seeing another editor (forgotten who) doing the same and was told before (via edit summary) that these are not actual musical groups when  was removed from Template:Infobox musical artist last year and replaced by the current   and , the remains of   remains in the article as it requires manual intervention (there also used to have 1–2 editors that would go around every single musicians' article to remove it but I guess they got bored which is expected as it's tedious and seemingly never ending task, I also go around quite a few Korean musicians' article to remove it but I got bored of it) hence even though it was removed from the Infobox coding, the syntax remains which was you still it in the article's coding prior to your update.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  17:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Understood. Thanks for the explanation. Bostonite01310 talk 17:34, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

About Love or Loved Part.1 distributor
@Bostonite01310 I'm quite sure that Love or Loved Part.1 was distributed by Sony Music (as well as the single release of "BTBT"). "Sony Music" was written in Circle Album Chart's "Distribution" column here. It also appears as "발매사" in Melon and Genie, and "유통사" in Bugs!, just like Dreamus did for B.I's previous albums. And if another company was in charge of the album's distribution, it should be mentioned on the physical album, but I don't see anything... Did you find a source that says otherwise? - DriftingLill (talk) 13:27, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I looked at the physical copies of all of B.I's albums and the previous ones, including Midnight Blue, have the sentence "distributed by Dreamus company" written on them, whereas Love or Loved Part.1 does not cite any distributor. The Spotify album also did not show "Sony music" and I wasn't really sure where it came from. And I found a few online shops selling the Korean version had it under "manufacturer". But the circle chart link that you shared is surely a good source. I'll put back "Sony music" as the distributor. Bostonite01310 talk 19:50, 1 April 2023 (UTC)