Talk:BAA

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This is a dab page about the TLA BAA, not bleating. Note WP:WINAD. Why on earth do we an dicdef entry to illustrate baa "baa", complete with superfluous picture? Dunc|☺ 17:23, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Baa redirects here, thus this page should cover any uses of BAA or baa. I will link to bleating, as that could use an article. --SPUI (talk) 00:10, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Requested move

 * BAA → BAA (disambiguation) … Rationale: BAA plc is the primary meaning as (1) there are most wiki links to it (2) it is the top entry in google; as per WP:D … Please share your opinion at Talk:BAA. --└ VodkaJazz / talk ┐ 12:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * and BAA becomes a redirect to BAA plc with a { {redirect} } link to the disambiguation page

Survey

 * Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with  ~


 * Support as per above and the quoted discussion below. └ VodkaJazz / talk ┐ 12:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose, With reference to the Google results only 3 of the top 10 entries refer to BAA plc, British Astronomical Association gets two... (on google.com, obviously google.co.uk would be biased toward BAA plc). I do not feel there is a great need to change BAA into a redirect. The number of incoming wikilinks reflects the fact the Wikipedia is stronger in aviation and transport than, say, astronomy or Maldive Islands... /wangi 13:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Why obviously? Aren't they both British? └ VodkaJazz / talk ┐ 13:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose. Like Wangi, I'm not convinced that BAA has a level of general recognizability to merit primary topic disamiguation. It may all be a moot point soon anyhow--if Ferrovial completes its acquisition of BAA the name may well change. older ≠ wiser 17:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Leave the redirect at BAA and delete BAA (disambiguation).  These dab moves are not simply a number counting game.  Given the number of uses, it makes sense to have the dab at BAA.  What we don't want to do is send users to the wrong page especially for article names that are 4 or fewer characters.  Vegaswikian 23:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Result: page not moved. Eugène van der Pijll 21:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Initial Discussion

 * Hi there, noticed you were around, I wondered if you could do a favour. For ages BAA has been a dismbig page as there are a number of terms it can refer to. In the last hour User:VodkaJazz moved it to BAA (disambiguation) and made BAA and redirect to BAA plc... Without any discussion.
 * Can you move things back to how they were please?
 * Thanks/L/wangi 18:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, appreciated/wangi 18:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi there, this page has now been reverted back to its original state as a disambiguation page. There are far too many meanings for "baa" for it to simple redirect to BAA plc - it's not a lot more used than any other entry (if it is even the most used meaning at all).
 * Thanks/wangi 18:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Before asking fellow editors to revert redirection changes (a tenuous tasks sometimes), you should substantiate your claims. As you can see from the categorized what links here entries below, BAA plc is the predominant meaning given in Wikipedia. While Google may give more meanings to BAA, it is still the top entry. BAA plc is the only non-stub article, it refers to a multi-national company worth billions to which current affairs are many times related. BAA is also its symbol on the LSE.

To BAA plc

 * 1) Harmondsworth (place near Heathrow, owned)
 * 2) Gatwick Express (owned)
 * 3) Talk:Network Rail
 * 4) User:Rbrwr/companies
 * 5) First Great Western Link (co-owned)
 * 6) Hayes and Harlington railway station (owned)
 * 7) Ian Peacock (media trainer)
 * 8) Economy of Scotland
 * 9) Transport in Edinburgh
 * 10) Molehill Green (owned airport)
 * 11) Des Wilson (director)

To other meanings

 * 1) Joe Fulks (to Basketball Association of America, which was merged with NBA)
 * 2) List of three-letter English words (to baa)
 * 3) User:SPUI/censored, User talk:SPUI/random crap archive (to baa meaning bleat)
 * 4) Johnny Orr (to NBA)

Irrelevant

 * User talk:CambridgeBayWeather
 * User talk:VodkaJazz
 * Talk:BAA
 * User:Vansig/24sable
 * User talk:Analogdemon
 * Baa (redirect page)
 * TLAs from AAA to DZZ
 * List of acronyms and initialisms: B
 * Links to disambiguating pages (B)

In addition:
 * baa (as in bleat) should not be on the disambiguation page of an acronym (so that's another two which could be striked off)
 * Bachelor of Applied Arts is a stub, and not even mentioned as an Academic degree
 * British Astronomical Association is a stub
 * Baa Atoll, same as baa
 * Basketball Association of America simply redirects to NBA
 * Boston Athletic Association is a stub and its only importance lies in the Boston Marathon (i.e. people search that not BAA)
 * Broad Agency Association does not even have an article


 * Therefore, it is my strong convintion that BAA should redirect to BAA plc, which represents the primary topic, and supply a link to the disambiguation page, as per WP:D.
 * └ VodkaJazz / talk ┐ 19:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's hardly surprising that the incoming links to BAA are mostly intended for BAA plc given the abundance of air and rail etc articles on Wikipedia. Might I suggest you fix them to point to the right place. Likewise Google will be skewed too, I'm not saying that BAA plc isn't the main meaning - it's certainly not the only meaning. The page has been a disambig since the middle of 2004, people typing BAA and wanting BAA plc quickly get to it - it's the top of the list. There's no reason to change things now, especially when you consider what's going to happen the the company - do you think it'll be known by BAA this time next year?
 * If you think the disambig page needs cleaned-up then clean it up, or tag with disambig-cleanup.
 * And if you still think BAA needs to be a redirect how about a discussion first on the talk page, or WP:RM. Remember I wouldn't have to have asking fellow editors to revert redirection changes (a tenuous tasks sometimes) if you'd done this in the first place.
 * Thanks/wangi 20:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Read WP:D. As you said, it's not the only meaning - but it's the primary meaning. Therefore one should not have a general disambiguation page on the BAA page but on the BAA (disambiguation) page like I had done it. In addition, this is the present not the future; and yet, even if it were the future, BAA would still primarily refer to BAA plc or whatever the name would then be. └ VodkaJazz / talk ┐ 20:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, still not convinced. I guess you'll need to build consensus on the talk page / WP:RM. Thanks/wangi 21:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Further Discussion

 * Add any additional comments

I've now went through the incoming links to BAA and repaired them to point where they were intending to/wangi 17:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

BAA a great mystery
