Talk:BBC News (TV channel)

Presentation Info
There is a new presentation scheme.

Is this actually relevant at all?

I'm not sure why there needs to be a section on this countdown thing at the top of the hour - as far as I know, it is not some sort of widely-known aspect of the channel or really has any relevance to the content of it whatsoever. Seems really quite a bizarre addition to the article actually. Surely it would be worthwhile getting rid of this and actually putting in something about the sort of programming, that the channel carries rather than what is looks like?

The article on Sky News concentrates on presenters, programming, news coverage, history, etc. not the sort of graphics that the channel uses on-screen. Wikipedia isn't a design school!


 * I agree, though it may seem more in context if more information was added around it, ie if there were more detailed info on presenters, history, programming etc, then having such in-depth detail on the presentation would seem reasonable. There is some merit in mentioning the presentation, however, since the BBC news music is widely recognised and there has also been criticism of the on-screen "clutter" and the rather tasteless aspect of the spinning ribbon headline, as seen on Grumpy Old Men. --GoAround 07:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've shifted the presentation section down below the sections on news programming and presenters. I'll see if I can trim it down slightly. Wikiwoohoo 20:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

BARB stats in info box
I have used June 05 stats rather than the more up to date July 05 stats as in July they were more than double the normal amount (1.1% rather than 0.5%), a statistical blip I suspect is due to the 7th July bombings and the 21st July attempted bombings rather than any overall permanent increase in viewership. MrWeeble 13:02, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Good stuff with the stats but that aside, what was wrong with the previous infobox?

Matthew Humphreys 13:17, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Countdown
I'm adding the following website regarding the BBC countdown. It contains some videos and a small blurb about them: http://www.mediahug.com/almax/2006/09/08/the-world-likes-a-good-countdown/ EmileVictor 11:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Live Streaming
Neither of the external links seem to be active anymore. James D. Forrester 19:11 May 10, 2003 (UTC)


 * The live streaming was available during the War in Iraq. According to the web site it has been discontinued due to "rights issues", but may be available in the furture. I'll remove the links. Mintguy 09:49 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Schedule - Unencyclopedic
I had to change the previous schedule because under section 1.7.7. of What Wikipedia is not Wikipedia is not a TV Guide, and added this fact in the edit summary. Regardless, someone has put the schedule back. I'm adding the Unencyclopedic tag there until someone can suggest a better way of presenting the information which doesn't violate Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Sonic 17:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Head of News 24
Do you know who is the President/Managing Editor is or whoever has the highest position in BBC News 24? I suggest you add it to the article. -Paolo-58.69.64.241 11:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The highest position at News 24 is Controller, of which Kevin Bakhurst has been since earlier this year. You're right, it should be included if not already. Thanks for that. Wikiwoohoo 21:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

GA failure of November 20
I'm sorry, but there are a number of issues that keep this article from being a Good Article. Some things to address, as per WP:WIAGA: Best of luck, and feel free to resubmit the article to WP:GAC when these problems are fixed. -- Kicking222 22:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 1(c)- WP:MOS guidelines: First, unless the words are proper nouns, only the first word of a heading should be capitalized. Second, there are tons of grammar and punctuation problems in the article. Random examples from throughout the article:
 * "Nicholas Owen, of ITN's ITV Lunchtime News has signed..." (from "News Presenters") is missing a comma.
 * "It is the only domestic BBC channel transmitted by the BBC itself, all others are handled..." (from the lead) has a comma instead of a semicolon.
 * "...for the first time in two years moved ahead..." (from the lead) also needs a comma.
 * "Formerly the channel had been controlled by an editor - Mark Popescu - similar to the main BBC One news bulletins but further changes were made including the replacement of single editors for the One O'Clock and Six O'Clock News with a single daytime editor." (from "Background") is a run-on sentence missing at least two commas.
 * "Since the October 1999 relaunch an important element..." (from "Countdown"), again, needs a comma.
 * "To direct a viewers attention to breaking news, a new breaking news sting was introduced which showed a globe briefly appear on screen." (from "Breaking News") is a run-on and is missing an apostrophe in "viewers".
 * "Then controller of BBC television news, Tim Orchard stated that the message with the new style was simple: "...you still have the TV news programmes from the BBC that you know and trust at set times of the day but it is happening all the time on this channel." (from "General") needs a hyphen after "then", needs a comma after "Orchard", and has an unsourced statement... which leads me to:
 * 2- verifiability: Aside from a series of screencaps, every reference comes from the BBC itself. For a GA or FA, this is absolutely unthinkable. Reliable sources that comment on the network must be found and cited. In addition, many important statements- including, but not limited to, the first sentence of "Background", all of "General" (I'm amazed that an uncited statement such as "a car crash in a shower" can even exist in an article), and the two sentences in the "Awards" section- are completely unsourced.
 * 6- images: Every picture in the article is fair use; seven fair use photos and zero free use photos just doesn't sit well with me. This criterion is not as important as those mentioned above, but this issue should still be dealt with if possible.


 * I have addressed the problems you have identified above as well as others. I feel the article is now ready to be renominated as will do so. Thank you very much again for your comments and suggestions; they are very much appreciated. Wikiwoohoo 20:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Could I just say that if we're looking for images the public associate with BBC News 24 then fair use images are likely the best we can get, especially with copywritten idents and logos. RHB 21:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I completely agree, which is why I noted that it's not necessary to change anything so as to meet this criterion. However, I think the article would be a bit better if there were one or two free use images in the place of fair use ones (though I don't have a ton of ideas about what a free use image could be). I'm sorry if my rationale made it seem as if this was a big problem, because it's not. -- Kicking222 16:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem, thanks for your help. I had a look on Flickr and was wondering if images from there would be any good. Most are photos of television sets which aren't much good, but there was one of News 24 available on a 3G mobile phone and another of it available on certain bus services. I'm not sure what copyright status these would have though. Wikiwoohoo 20:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Availability and Studio
Is BBC News 24 available outside the UK, even in Ireland or nearby areas in northwestern continental Europe?

On another aspect, is their first studio (from 1997-1998) currently occupied by BBC World? Looking closely at it, it somehow resembles the present World studio.

--124.106.134.2 09:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * News 24 is available in Northern Ireland as this is part of the UK but not the Republic of Ireland. Coverage is meant to be limited to the UK only but I believe it is possible to pick up the signal elsewhere via satellite in a similar way to viewers receiving BBC World in the UK. Wikiwoohoo 15:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, yes, the current studio that BBC World occupies is where News 24 first started in. BBC World had been based nearby but in a much smaller space. Wikiwoohoo 19:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, is the existing main '24' studio N8 and the studio they started in called N9? I plan to include this somewhere in the article? --Pinoysurfer 23:08, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I asked the first question because I was able to see BBC1 and 2 outside the UK and I know that those 2 channels are available in Ireland. So what makes BBC1 and 2 available in areas nearby the UK but not News 24? And is News 24 currently in the same newsroom as BBC World (but different part of it) or in a different floor/room in Television Centre? --58.69.63.199 03:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * BBC News (TV Channel) has been available free worldwide since 10th April at Streamick.com under BBC News 24. Kathleen.wright5 02:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC) Australia.

GA (unofficial) comments
I'm not going to officialy review this for GA, but the number and purpose of the images worries me. I feel that Image:BBC News 24 Tonight.png, for instance, is superfluous. I don't know anything or understand the tone or content of the show as a result of this logo. I feel that it's simply there to make a block of text look prettier.

I've gone through most of the images and added fair use ratioanles (one of the reasons why BBC News failed today). I have also expanded the source on most, but not all. The source of the file might be some website, and it is certainly courteous to acknowledge their work capturing the image, but... they are not the final, true source... which is the BBC. Image description pages should describe what the image is, who the copyright holder is, and have detailed FURs.

I'd really like to see The Lambert Report addressed more fully with regard to News 24. Perhaps creating a stub article? I appreciate that there is an external link, but, in terms of Wikipedia, I don't know what it is, why it was set up, who Lambert is...

The section on the 'countdown' sequence is good, since it has become a notable element of the station. Perhaps this could be develop to address its cultural impact, such as Bill Bailey's routine. I'm sure there's even a dance mix somewhere! I wonder if an audio sample would be useful, perhaps of the last 10 seconds...?

Finally, I'd much prefer the cite templates to be utilised.

Good work so far. Before submitting articles to GA or FA, I'd really suggest that you use the peer review process. The JPS talk to me  11:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Good point about the images. I had added them to illustrate the sections they related to; footage of the countdown for the countdown section, etc. I had also recently started going through the images I have uploaded and giving proper fair use rationales by developing what I had already entered. Once more work has been done, it would indeed be best to submit the article for a peer review. Also I would like to quickly thank everyone else who has helped to get this article to the good state it is now. It is much better than a year ago. :) Wikiwoohoo 22:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If you reference the middle paragraph in the lead, it might be worth resubmitting it for GA? The JPS talk to me  20:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've added references for both the Television Centre and Red Bee facts and nominated the article for good article status. Thanks for reviewing the article. Wikiwoohoo 21:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I've reviewed the article and IMO it certainly suitable for GA and as such I've passed it. You might want to consider improving small things like the uncited portion in Background where the News International claim about critiscism is made as they lack citations but overall I think it meets the criteria.BigHairRef | Talk 19:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

New graphics
I've just added a tiny bit as it has changed this morning. I have only just become aware and it will need a long of expansion plus references to the new theme music as well as all the various graphics. My opinion is that images will definitely be needed. Harry Hayfield 09:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I have removed images of the older graphics and changed some text into the past tense to reflect the graphic relaunch. Genius12 20:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

News 24 Programmes
Under News programming it says Other programming produced solely by News 24 includes the Five O'Clock News with Huw Edwards (with Film24 at 17:45 Fridays), News 24 Tonight (the hour from 19:00), Sportsday (at 18:30), and World Business Report.

Isn't World Business Report made by the BBC World team and broadcast on News 24 overnight.My main reason for thinking WBR is a BBC World program shown on N24 is up to recently you could see the outline of the BBC World DOG Tower appearing behind the N24 clock tower, where as in the news bulletins Simulcasts you never saw the world tower appearing behind the N24 tower. I'm lead to believe it went the other way around. E-flah 12:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, World Business Report is a BBC World produced programme. It's a mistake that it is put as solely for News 24. Thanks for pointing it out. Wikiwoohoo 19:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The BBC World shared programming section says something sbout StoryFix. Is that programming seen outside the UK? If no, please have this removed because it can be misleading. --Pinoysurfer 23:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Sister channels
BBC News 24 shares a multiplex with BBC One, BBC Two, BBC Three and CBBC and BBC One and sometimes BBC Two carries BBC News 24, therefore the package of channels are 'sister channels', please stop vandalizing these links!  ••Briantist••  talk  11:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not vandalising any links. I removed the mention of the other channels because BBC News 24 and BBC World share resources and act effectively as one channel overnight (in the UK). While the entire BBC family of domestic channels could be included, for these two channels it does not count. I would appreciate it if you throw the accusation of vandalism around as easily as you have done. Cheers. Wikiwoohoo 14:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Citing sources
About BBC News 24 at TV Home cites these sources: Instead of a TV Home article, how about citing above sources? Yeah. We can directly cite the Lambert report if possible.--JSH-alive talk to mesee my worksmail to me 08:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * BBC News, BBC News 24's revamp is launched http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3240232.stm
 * BBC News, BBC news channel told to change http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2545327.stm
 * BBC News, Rolling revamp for BBC News 24 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2993252.stm
 * Media Guardian, BBC takes on Sky with fresh look at News 24 http://media.guardian.co.uk/bbc/story/0,7521,1036099,00.html
 * Media Guardian, Lambert to head BBC News 24 review http://media.guardian.co.uk/bbcdigitalchannels/story/0,11618,666168,00.html
 * Media Guardian, Sparks fly as BBC relaunches News 24 http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493,1102956,00.html

Post Script: If you want to cite same source in multiple sentences, um........ Click here.

This link keeps turning page cannot be found
http://www.chauy.com/2006/07/the-sky-news-blog-%E2%80%93-a-new-angle-in-the-news/

I dont know how to remove the link. Help? Philip1992 17:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)Philip1992
 * That link is working for me now. Can you try again and see if it is still coming up with that error message? --tgheretford (talk) 18:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

The link still doesnt work. Philip1992 18:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)Philip1992
 * Not working for me now either. My suggestion would be to leave it for a few hours or preferably days, check the link again, and if it still doesn't work, delete it (you can delete it by just removing the tags alongside the text inbetween when you edit the page), or find and add another relevant reference. --tgheretford (talk) 19:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I dont feel like doing anything now. Maybe later. Philip1992 19:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)Philip1992
 * The above link is now working. Kathleen.wright5 02:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

"2007 evolution" pedantry
In the section under audio-visual presentation marked "2007 evolution", use of the word "evolve" is wrong. Although evolve as a verb clearly has grown outside of its previous solely biological meaning, it still implies a process of quasi-random generation and selection. It also does not carry, in its accepted usage, the sense of progress being attained. I don't see how that, or any other sense of the word is being used here.

The opening sentence implies that the changes occured spontaneously, when it was probably a considered re-design. Perhaps "improvement" would be a better word, if the sense intended is that of "positive change":

2007 improvements

From 22 January 2007 the BBC improved the look of the channel.

However, I think that passing any judgement like that about the change would be POV, so I would prefer a neutral term such as "change" or even "update".

--Mike C | talk 20:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hope you don't mind what I've done. I decided that the section would be better merged into the others already there and have done so, as well as giving the rest of the Audio-visual presentation section a tidy up.

What do you think?

Wikiwoohoo 20:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

News countdown sequence
I just watched BBC News 24 today at 11.00 GMT+0 and saw a slightly altered countdown sequence. Was that just a test or did they show it earlier today (it wasn't on at midnight, when I last watched News24)? A screenshot can be found here. The shots are from the main presenters in London, Huw Edwards during his 5 days in Iraq, other reporters in Iraq, Afghanistan, Washington etc. and the design of the numbers were changed. Anschub 10:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, I changed it as it turned out to be a real 'new' one. User:Briantist added some pictures but I think these rhetorical questions below them don't fit into a wikipedia article. And also, I changed the one picture of the countdown sequence but shouldnt be also show the 'old' ones, maybe instead of the small gallery showing that the countdown doesnt obey the laws of physics, we know that already! Anschub 12:41, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Live 24/7?
This is just more out of curiosity than anything else...is this channel really live 24/7, or does it have certain hours during the day that it's live and then it goes to tape for the rest of the night (like many North American news channels)? Vikramsidhu 15:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * BBC News 24 is a live TV channel. Yes, this means they never sleep. Live programs are played throughout. Some parts are taped, such as Studio A redirecting to Studio B, which may not be open with someone there at 3AM GMT, will have recordings of whatever report it would be. There are some, but not all, recorded programs. --AOL Alex 00:50, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That Studio A redirecting to Studio B stuff is rubbish. News 24 is always live when it comes from a news studio, even overnight. The only recorded programmes on News 24 are the non-news ones seen overnight and at weekends. - Lee Stanley 17:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Removed - Lambert Report website
I have removed the Lambert Report website because of a Page not found notice. Kathleen.wright5 00:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Removed section on set/studio
I just removed this curious anonymous contribution:

Current Set and Studio Critisism
The current BBC News 24 set/studio has recently been brought into critisism; as it is alleged to be "tiny" and "falling apart". The current desk doesn't light up properly due to blow bulbs, the camera that pans the studio at the Top of the Hour makes a squealing and chugging noise that is clearly audible on air, a failing autocue (hence the mass of paper on the desk at times) and a scratched floor.

It is understood that BBC News 24 will be moving into a brand new purpose built studio in April 2008, and the studio is alleged to contain "the largest live newsroom in the world".

Aside from the copyediting issues, it makes a combination of unsourced opinion statements, dubious trivia points and unverified speculation. I couldn't find anything authoritative to back any of it up, but if anyone knows better, here it is. Otherwise, we'll see what happens come April... BigBlueFish (talk) 00:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, what a load of rubbish (with the exception of the last line). Didn't see it, 'else I'd have removed it myself. The Islander 00:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Even though I could PERSONALLY never verify this, according to people who I know that work at BBC News, everything written there is in fact true. Vik (talk) 23:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

What does N6 and N8 mean?
News 24 will be moving from current set N8 to current national bulletin set N6 in April this year

What does it mean?! St91 (talk) 15:13, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I assume N6 and N8 are the "code names" for the various news studios in use at the BBC.  [Jam] [talk] 16:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's basically the number on the door - N6 is News Studio 6, N8 News Studio 8. For the record there is also N9. Hope that helps. Wikiwoohoo (talk) 13:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * N is just the code letter for News. All TVC studios have numbers (other BBC TV studios before TVC had been identified by letters - at Alexandra Palace, Lime Grove, & regions f'rinstance). When TV News moved to TVC Spur in 1969, there had to be some means of differentiation - so N was added in front of any number to do with News at TVC. This could be Studios, telecine and videotape machines, etc., to differentiate them from an existing one used for non-news programmes...Zir (talk) 12:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The BBC News Channel
Nothing from the Beeb Press Office yet about Monday's rebrand, however the BBC News document announcing this says "BBC News 24 is renamed BBC News (or BBC News channel when trailing from elsewhere). The One, Six and Ten get a new look and are referred to as BBC News at 1/6/10. BBC World is rebranded as BBC World News, and there is a new look for all the Nations and Regions. The website has already started using the new brand." ...Zir (talk) 12:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Article Move
Well, as of now, the channel's still called 'BBC News 24' :P. However, when they do change, bear in mind that the channel is being renamed BBC News, and thus this article should probably be moved to BBC News (channel), and not BBC News Channel. Talk Islander 23:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Either: BBC News (channel) or BBC News (TV channel). I don't mind which one, but I agree it should not be "BBC News Channel". --  [[ axg   ⁞⁞   talk   ]] 23:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I quite like the second - more desciptive. Talk Islander 23:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I favour BBC News Channel or BBC News (channel) but would suggest that no move, or redirect, is made until some concensus emerges - not just on here but on the Beeb itself. Staff have been told to refer to it as the BBC News Channel and only plug it as BBC News on the channel itself. But only time will tell...Zir (talk) 08:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I moved the article before looking at the talk page, sorry about that. Now its done though, I see no reason to move it back. Perhaps it should just be left where it is and we'll see what other editors think. --Philip Stevens (talk) 07:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thinking about it further, I favour using the original redirect of BBC News Channel for the title for this as BBC World has become BBC World News - neat compared with the cumbersome BBC News (TV channel). Then the really difficult bit starts- all the references to News 24 need proof-reading and maybe some tweaking...Zir (talk) 09:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thing is, the channel isn't called BBC News Channel, so the article should not be named that either. Off the channel, it is refered to as the BBC News Channel, simply to differentiate it from BBC News the service (which, in my own personal opinion, is the reason that it should have stayed as News 24). It's proper name, per the BBC sources and the channel itself, is BBC News, so that's what our article should be called, with the extra (TV channel) tag to disambiguate it. Talk Islander 10:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Future Schedule
On 22 June 2008, someone added a section titled "Future Schedule" to this page. I was wondering if anyone knows if this is correct or if this is a false entry that needs to be removed! Am81 (talk) 20:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Silly manipulations on BBC News - Hey, let's condemn Slovakians!"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8162643.stm This is just one of many examples how BBCnews omits facts to guide our emotions. In this case there's an alarmistic article on Slovakia's new language law. The wordings used suggests that Slovakia is banning the use of foreign languages in public. I dug myself and it turns out it only requires to translate signs to Slovakian. See the difference?.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.137.50 (talk) 13:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Criticism, perception and awards
There is a Criticism, perception and awards section on the Sky News page, however there is no mention of criticism or perception of BBC News on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IainUK (talk • contribs) 08:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:59, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

BBC News (TV channel) → — No other pages using that name except for the redirect over this page. Ranel (talk) 12:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Official name is "BBC News". The "(TV channel)" is to disambiguate from BBC News department, and "channel" added to avoid confusion with "BBC News". --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 15:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose: I agree with AxG. BBC News Channel would only lead to major confusion. It could even be a channel from BBC Radio. Joerg, the BajanZindy (talk) 21:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. BBC News is the key.  Channel is just disambiguation, and belongs in the parentheses. Ocaasi (talk) 02:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

two minute looped bulletins
Is the part at at the beginning of the article which refers to two minute looped bulletins about news multi-screen? If so The BBC stopped this service earlier this year.

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