Talk:BFG (weapon)

Names
This article lists several different interpretations for "BFG" and says they were variously used before the DOOM design docs stated it is "Big Fucking Gun." If you played DOOM and seriously believed it was anything other than "Fucking" then you are perhaps the most naive person in the whole world.
 * I propose that the alternative names are removed. They are irrelevant and lack sources. Alternatively, that they are moved down, to a section of their own. I think it is important that the article should be quite clear in that BFG stands for Big Fucking Gun and nothing else.85.227.226.168 08:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Was it? Wikipedia Vienna (talk) 07:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Is that right? The Official Doom FAQ that shipped with Doom v1.4 called it the Big Fragging Gun. I looked through the Doom manuals and found no mention of it being called the "Big Fucking Gun". Since the Doom Bible was scrapped, it can't be used as a canonical source. The first official name of the BFG is the Big Fragging Gun. Some sources:

http://www.gamers.org/docs/FAQ/bfgfaq/#1B

http://www.gamers.org/docs/FAQ/doomfaq/

I didn't see anywhere in the manuals where it was referred to as the "Big Fucking Gun" or implied that was its official name. If you find it, please let me know.

http://www.wolfensteingoodies.com/archives/olddoom/manuals/Doom_-_Manual_-_PC.pdf

http://www.wolfensteingoodies.com/archives/olddoom/manuals/Ultimate_Doom_-_Manual_-_PC.pdf

http://www.wolfensteingoodies.com/archives/olddoom/manuals/Doom_II_-_Manual_-_PC.pdf

http://www.wolfensteingoodies.com/archives/olddoom/manuals/Final_Doom_-_Manual_-_PC.pdf

Cheers. Shane Strife (talk) 06:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Exactly right. A design document is irrelevant, as those are only outlines. It's what it's called in the game material that matters, and that is, and has always been, 'Fragging'. 85.229.48.166 (talk) 20:27, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Original Doom Programming?
I do not remember where but somewhere I've heard a ru|mor that the traces in original Doom were unitially plasma fireballs, but were made invisible because it caused too much of slowdown on the machines of the day to render so many sprites. –Gnomz007(?) 17:25, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * BFG 2704 - Fredrik | talk 19:02, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I was being silly. But, should not this be a single article documenting all incarnations of BFG, including Quake 2 and Doom Beta since it's ID's original FPS ultimate weapon, the Quake could be in the form of short paragraph with a reference to main article –Gnomz007(?) 20:07, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes they should, since the Quake series is in the same universe as Doom (or, a continuation of the series). I'm reconsidering my proposal to merge the articles for BFG9000 and BFG10K, however, because the final product would look messy with two more images, plus the one image for the "BFG 2704", for one article.–Spamchicken

Where was it stated that they take place in the same universe? 24.255.172.149 14:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Decimated
Sorry for being a grammar nazi or whatever, but the caption for the Doom II screenshot says it is capable of 'decimating' an entire room. Doesn't decimate mean to one tenth of something? Yeah... --ChristopherEdwards 01:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Literally, perhaps. Originally, almost certainly.  In common parlance?  I hope not, otherwise I'll look really silly :-).  Regardless, if you think a different word would be more accurate or better-suited for the article, be BOLD! and make the changes.  No-one'll get upset. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 04:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Gonna put in my .02 here. According to Dictionary .com, the meaning/origin of 'Decimate' is

'deci·mation n. Usage Note: Decimate originally referred to the killing of every tenth person, a punishment used in the Roman army for mutinous legions. Today this meaning is commonly extended to include the killing of any large proportion of a group.'

Don't worry if you want to change it, though, I've been through this conversation before :) DarkMasterBob 06:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The statement is still unclear. It now says "The most powerful weapon in the game, it causes major damage to opponents and can clear entire rooms of foes." The first part is clear enough, but "causes major damage to opponents" is so vague that it adds nothing, and "can clear entire rooms of foes" is even worse. Every weapon in the game, from the brass knuckles to the shotgun, can be used to clear entire rooms of foes. So what is this supposed to mean? If anyone can find a way to clarify this statement, please do so, since the only way I can think of to fix it is to just reduce it to "It is the most powerful weapon in the game."--Martin IIIa (talk) 12:40, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I have tweaked it. Mezigue (talk) 13:23, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's better, thanks.--Martin IIIa (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Ammo
It dosen't mention it's ammo, what and how much it uses. Was it 30 Cells? Dfrg.msc 06:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * As i recall from Doom 3, the ammo was a dedicated BFG cell (1 shot = 1 BFG cell). Doom and Doom 2 used existing plasma rifle cells i think. UnfriendlyFire 03:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 40 energy cells in Doom and Doom II. 50 in Quake 2. 200.85.209.5 (talk) 22:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Alternate Name
there are alternate names for the BFG9000 like Big Fucking Gun 9000


 * That's not an alternate name: That's what the abbreviation "BFG" stands for.


 * Wait, it's not the Big Friendly Giant? — TheJames 12:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * To make things even more confusing: In the "Doom" movie there is a scene with the BFG (looking slightly different from that one in the game and has the version number 3.14 instead of 9000) on a computer monitor and the written-out name "bio force gun". Whatever this means, since the BFG does not really appear as a biological weapon.--SiriusB 10:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I propose that the alternative names are removed. They are irrelevant and lack sources. Alternatively, that they are moved down, to a section of their own. I think it is important that the article should be quite clear in that BFG stands for Big Fucking Gun and nothing else.85.227.226.168 08:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅--Svetovid 21:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Guys I've just thought of a really cool name that fits for the BFG: BINARY FUSION GUN!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.0.178.216 (talk) 03:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


 * What the heck is a Binary Fusion Gun?
 * Wikipedia Vienna (talk) 07:39, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

The name is given as "Big Fragging Gun" in the current revision of the article, citing the Doom II manual and the original Doom design document, but I've just read them and the Doom II manual doesn't appear to say, while the Doom design document says "Big Fucking Gun". Tws45 (talk) 00:42, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

BFG9000 or BFG 9000?
The article title has stated it being called "BFG9000". However, the article itself has the name "BFG 9000". Which one is correct, and if one is right, then which one is editted? Aramjm 19:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ (corrected to BFG9000)--Svetovid 21:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

B.F.M.
Why does B.F.M. ("Big Furry Monster" from Magic: The Gathering) redirect here? They have nothing to do with each other.24.27.203.38 15:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see that it does, and you didn't provide an actual link to the redirecting article, so... in any case, you could just edit it to point at the correct place. Ham Pastrami (talk) 23:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 03:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

What's with the asterisks?
As far as I know BFG doesn't stand for "Big F***ing Gun," it stands for "Big Fucking Gun." This isn't a children's book here you know. Wikipedia is clinical. Use your words. Thank you. 75.64.190.54 (talk) 19:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Obvious?
 * Wikipedia Vienna (talk) 07:38, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Well if you were a child seeking information about a children's book titled "The BFG" then you would come across a particularly nasty surprise, considering that you're 5 years old. Will someone please think of the children!!?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.114.29 (talk) 01:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * What children?
 * Wikipedia Vienna (talk) 07:38, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Poorly Placed Info
'The fictional weapon was selected by a real military expert as the fictional video game gun he would bring to war.' This does not belong in the introduction. It is an aside at best and trivia at worst. ||MJ

Novels
Did this gun appear in the Doom novels? If so, said novels should be mentioned, espeically concsidering how they are so very different from the video games. Lots42 (talk) 17:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed?
I have a question: On the first sentence within the section "Critical Reception", it says "UGO.com ranked the BFG 9000 at number two on their Top 50 Video Game Weapons of All Time list[citation needed].", yet below, there is a "citation", [1], which leads to the UGO site. Should I edit the page to add the citation there or can I not?

--72.173.192.59 (talk) 22:33, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

"Doom character"
Being one of the four notable video game weapons might not necessitate another template, but this still seems a bit absurd. 8ty3hree (talk) 20:32, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Lack of Mention: Doom 64
The version for the Nintendo 64 console entitled Doom 64 featured the BFG 9000. Why is this not mentioned in the main article? Aidensdaddy2k9 (talk) 06:45, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Added it. 208.83.126.113 (talk) 20:35, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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An issue about the BFG9000's "tracers"
The main issue is that the BFG 9000’s damage output per tracer is incorrectly stated in this article as “between 16 and 128 damage” which I have corrected it. If you believe otherwise, here's how the BFG 9000 works, as explained by YouTuber decino.

Found this user who made this erroneous edit: Anon423, at 14:24 (UTC), 7 January 2022. How the user got this completely wrong (For each tracer dealing between 16 and 128 damage is not just a misunderstatement, but misleading too), I don't know what source that say that each BFG tracer deals "between 16 and 128 damage".

Wikipedia Vienna (talk) 15:44, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

This needs work
This article is kind of sloppy; I feel like it might need to be tagged for a rewrite. 2605:B40:1303:900:D95:621D:F8C:29AC (talk) 16:52, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Tagging something does not mean anything is going to happen. There is not a magical team of editors that will swoop in and fix articles because of a tag.
 * Consider adding more context to your talk page edits. What parts are sloppy, what would you do to make them better. What sources are poor, and why.
 * And this is also after all the free encyclopedia, that anyone can edit. Maybe try and make some improvements to articles on your own. Beach drifter (talk) 17:40, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of this; when you tag an article, you're letting it be known that it needs work, which could eventually come to be. It won't happen immediately. Anyway, the "Appearances and homages outside Doom and Quake" section (especially "The BFG Archetype") is pretty clunky and could use some extra sources. 2605:B40:1303:900:D95:621D:F8C:29AC (talk) 17:57, 29 December 2023 (UTC)